ok, i tryed the none braided, plane clear tubing. i bought 2 10' lengths, cut it into 2.5' pieces, put it together, and it hardly suported its own weight, wouldnt keep its shape, pile of noodles. i then cut those pieces in half (15"). at that length, it holds its shape, but the whole thing is only about 13" or 14" in diameter. thats ok, my largest bird is a sun conure, but the tubing makes a fat perching surface, my sun can get around on it ok but its pretty wide for my loves to get their smaller feet around, and now i have enough tubing for 2 atoms. one 10 foot roll, would have been enough for this smaller size.
