Live Bird Auction

[kensbuns]

As far as I am concerned and the law in her state, those birds are considered part of the marital property and would have to be sold before or during their divorce. When and how she decided to do it is her personal business and before judging her you should walk a mile in her shoes. JMHO!!!

[cra98c]

It is her personal business how she decides to do it. I just don't agree with the selling of birds through auction and having it put in such a way as if it was the courts that made her do it. Especially since it was either she decide to sell the house or sell the birds to split up her assets. JMHO

And also, I don't agree with her method of pulling out the baby parrots from day 1 from their parents so that they can breed more and that the babies get imprinted to humans as this will tend to cause problems for the birds down the road. Neither do I agree that she ships out her birds at 45 days old (unweaned) to pet shops for sale. Neither do I condone her act of doing beak alteration which is also known as beak mutilation which is banned in some countries for their cruelty. Try walking in the parrots shoes first before saying your remarks. JMHO.

[Monica]

cra98c, I don't really know her breeding business, and it is all her own personal stuff, however I have heard from someone (who saw the birds first hand) that she was caring for them in a less than adequate way...

Yes, I've heard she's a wonderful and knowledgeable vet, however if what I heard is true about how she cared for her birds, then I gotta say that I'm not all too impressed with her breeding tactics...

Can't say I know what to think about the situation but I do feel sorry for the birds!

[Birdsmile]

From what I heard from people at the auction, her birds were in wonderful condition and well taken care of. I was not there so anything i hear and say is just a opinion. It is hard to say what someone should/shouldnt do if you are not there to see everything.
Jack

[cra98c]

Its really her personal business on how she goes about doing it. But being a bird lover I cannot agree on her way of doing it or how some of her supporters have been going about saying that its a court order and that the judge says she has no choice but to auction off her birds when there is no such thing.

The thing is there is just no laws to protect the birds at the moment and anybody can buy the birds. A bid does not guarantee that they go to good homes. It just shows that people are willing to pay the money on what they perceived (which may turn out to be not true) the birds can give to them be it companionship, breeding babies for them to make a living or pity purchase. And the birds need not be in good condition to breed. Ever heard of the saying a naked bird breeds just as well.

How many times have we heard people buying birds without knowing what they are getting themselves into, treating them by screaming at them, hitting them, locking them in closets or selling them in craighlist when the bird screams or bites or not knowing that the bird is not weaned yet or how to wean the baby birds. This is especially true once the bird reach the hormonal stage where the bird no longer becomes the sweet lovable bird that we once know. They all paid good money (birds are not cheap especially the larger ones) for a baby bird or a bird that is fully feathered in the beginning. A feathered bird does not ensure that it is well taken care of. All birds started out fully feathered but some especially the larger ones starts to pluck their feathers off or develop behavioural problems down the road. Some birds despite the horrible conditions they are in somehow manage to prevent themselves from plucking their feathers.

Birdsmile,
The birds do not have any toys and just 1 perch in the cage. Also by removing the babies from 1st day it results in parent birds not ever recognising their babies and will kill them on sight if left with them. This is in addition to what I mentioned earlier on about how the baby birds may develop without having their chance to learn from the parents. I'm sorry but I cannot buy baby birds from such breeders.

I know this is a touchy topic, thus I will try not to post on this thread further or it will never end.

[cra98c]

Sorry. I should have been clearer in my explantion. When I mean 1st day handfeed, its that the babies are incubator hatched and handfed from day 1

[Cindy215]

Yes handfed and stored on SHELVING in tubs.

No, they never put toys in the cages not even perches in the smaller ones. Because it distracts breeders from getting down to business and copulating.

There was no court order, they hadn't filed, they were liquidating jointly.
I know this from correspondence she sent me personally.

I know at least one person who ransome rescued 9 of her birds at the auction and they were in various stages of disability.

[DancingLeaf]

Wondering is there is any follow-up to the auction? Were all the birds sold? also, I was wondering, why we're just half the birds sold to give the ex his "share". Obviously, I'm not a lawyer and our legal system doesn't always go with what's fair or what makes common sense.

[Joel]

Originally Posted by DancingLeaf

Wondering is there is any follow-up to the auction? Were all the birds sold? also, I was wondering, why we're just half the birds sold to give the ex his "share". Obviously, I'm not a lawyer and our legal system doesn't always go with what's fair or what makes common sense.

Yes, all the birds up for sale at the auction were bid on and sold.

I think you meant to say: "Why weren't just half the birds sold to give the ex his "share"..... My response to that is that you would need to probably ask S.C. & her hubby that question to get the most accurate answer.

[Birdsmile]

Originally Posted by cra98c

Sorry. I should have been clearer in my explantion. When I mean 1st day handfeed, its that the babies are incubator hatched and handfed from day 1

I dont know ANY breeder who incubates all their eggs and day one feeds. Some pairs who kill their babies people will pull when they hatch and day one feed, and if the birds get spooked and will not sit the eggs people will incubate them. Incubating eggs is very hard you have to keep the temperature right,the humidity right and rotate the eggs , if you do anything wrong you lose the babies. Day one feeding is not fun either, getting up every 2 hours to feed. Most breeders I know dont want to day one feed at all. But as a dedicated breeder you have to be prepared for anything and do what you have to do to keep your babies alive.
Jack