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Old 10-16-2007, 06:51 AM
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I think Eliza's concern or mention of the rescue being a non profit 501 organization is based on it not being some bird hoarder / person making money from an "adoption ploy". But Beaks you do have a good point... Just because they are a non profit doesn't guarantee the quality of the organization or care they provide.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:04 PM
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I've seen a rescue have a rule that if you have to move out of the state you have to return the bird to them, no matter if you've had the bird for 1 month or many years. I think that's totally unfair to the bird and the people that adopt it. Especially if in all other aspects - the bird is in a good home and being properly taken care of.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:39 PM
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I personally would have major issues with any organization thinking they are going to keep their fingers in my pie. Once I bring the fid home he/she is no longer yours. Thank you for your concern........... lol I do however understand the need for extreme measures with the adoptions to a point. I mean, are the measures to ensure a good home for the bird, or to ensure the bird does not get adopted?
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Old 10-16-2007, 07:37 PM
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I personally would have major issues with any organization thinking they are going to keep their fingers in my pie. Once I bring the fid home he/she is no longer yours. Thank you for your concern........... lol I do however understand the need for extreme measures with the adoptions to a point. I mean, are the measures to ensure a good home for the bird, or to ensure the bird does not get adopted?
A person could have 1,000 birds and still not know a thing about their care. These organizations have their prerequisites for reasons -- in more cases than not, the adoption was not successful. ("Ohhhh, I didn't know about teflon ... or ... Ohhhhh I didn't know about scented candles ..... or ...) So, yes, a finger in the pie is a necessity until the organization can be assured that the adopter knows what s/he is doing.

I've had too many of my babies experience untimely deaths even though I gave them handouts through the wazoo and asked question after question. I finally just got out of breeding.
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:02 PM
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A person could have 1,000 birds and still not know a thing about their care. These organizations have their prerequisites for reasons -- in more cases than not, the adoption was not successful. ("Ohhhh, I didn't know about teflon ... or ... Ohhhhh I didn't know about scented candles ..... or ...) So, yes, a finger in the pie is a necessity until the organization can be assured that the adopter knows what s/he is doing.

I've had too many of my babies experience untimely deaths even though I gave them handouts through the wazoo and asked question after question. I finally just got out of breeding.
I see the point but aren't the rest of the items one has to qualify for educating people of these issues before they let the bird go? Isn't that the point of the "hoops" one has to jump threw?
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:30 PM
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As long as they are reasonable with their expectations, all the more for it... but like previously mentioned, some of it is just, well, too much.

I can understand about no smoking, teflon, candles, self cleaning ovens, etc...

But what I find OVER the top is if they would refuse to adopt to you on the basis, that you have other pets that could be considered predatory animals (cats, dogs, reptiles, etc), return the bird if you plan on moving, or even if for some reason the representative person (of the rescue, to check out your home) doesn't like you...

The thing of it is, is that I have birds, a dog, and cats.. and the ONLY time I lost a bird to another species of animal was when my own home was being sprayed with insect killer, and I was not staying with my birds... The sad thing of it is, is that it's also possible to loose a parrot to another parrot... i.e. large parrot vs a small parrot... I doubt that they would refuse to adopt out a bird to someone who has another parrot of a different size than the one they are interested in adopting...
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:45 PM
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The reasons for the conditions, contracts, etc is because people lie, cheat, steal and anything else they can do to get what they want.

If someone gets a bird from me they sign a contract (after they read it)
included in my contract are a few lines that basically say that if they dont abide by the contract then they will lose the bird and if it goes to court they pay for everything including my lawyer and court costs (also stated in the contract.)

it all boils down to to one thing and that is if you are not a total liar then you dont have to worry.

i dont know about other rescues but im not going to spend hundreds of hours on a bird to get it ready for adoption just to have some moron mess it up in a week(been there and done that)

Thats why i have a contract and rules (to protect the bird and myself)
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Wow, weird we are talking about this... this just came out on the press...

Ellen DeGeneres sobs after losing rescue dog but kinda applys to this topic...
Sobbing DeGeneres pleads for dog to be returned - omg! videos on Yahoo!

"At what point does the issue of any organization thinking they are going to keep their fingers in my pie" as jim pointed out...
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:31 PM
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a contract is a contract and she should have contacted the rescue to see if they would let her slide.
Ellen is a big girl and she knew what she was doing when she signed the contract and agreed to the conditions of adoption.
she gave the dog away knowing without a doubt that she was breaking her contract.
She was wrong in giving the dog away without first contacting the rescue.
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:40 PM
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In my mind... A simple home visit to reassure that Iggy or any adopted animal was fine was all that was needed. If they want to stick with there policy and achieve the goal set out by the organization.
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