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Old 10-16-2007, 11:53 PM
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They probably would have done that(any good rescue would) but she probably pissed them off by not contacting them and they made an example of her so it wouldnt happen again.

i would have checked the other family out and let them adopt but only after taking the animal back and showing ellen (and the rest of the world)that fame and money doesnt mean that you are above the law)
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:47 AM
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Yeah I've seen much worse contracts than that from cat and dog (especially purebreds!!) rescue orgs. Wait "worse" probably isn't the right word. Harsh or strict maybe?

Some rescues don't hold you to all those clauses anyway. Especially if upon meeting you they like you.

I do think required home visits AFTER the [animal] has been adopted out are invasive and insulting. I own the animal now so buzz off....

That's just my feeling though.
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Old 10-17-2007, 04:21 PM
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They could have allowed the family to keep the dog [if indeed the family was an appropriate home which we don't acctually know] and given Degeneres a hefty fine which would have served thier organization better and been better for the dog.A few years ago I considered adopting a Standardbred horse but decided against it because I would never be allowed to euthanize the animal without thier permission.In an emergency situation I wouldn't want a horse to suffer an extended period of time because of red tape.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:01 PM
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I think alot of animal groups are ridiculous with their demands!Many of them just want to keep the animals and their choosiness is really arrogence. They make so many preconditions that noyone is suitable and animals that need a home dont get one!Ive taken in peoples pets all my life and they usually have issues,are not trained ,sometimes fearful from poor treatmentand have medical problems from neglect.Of course adopters should be a good home but people that adopt unwanted pets are doing the pet ,owner and society a big favor . I dont beleive that theres a racket in reselling unwanted pets.Medical labs dont want them either and cant use themfor research .Many of the groups near me are run by horders who are convinced that they are the only ones who can give them a good home.Its too bad for the pets really! My friend wanted to help a straydog.She jumped trough their hoops for months and waited .She was told that the lab mix she wanted had 8 other people who wanted it and they didnt know yet who would get ityet. HELLO??? Why was that dog still there. Then they said cause she had kids that were too little they werent sure now was the time for her too get a dogetc etc. Its crazy cause shes a great mother and would have given a stray the best home!! Of course she went to a pet store and bought a dog. Alot of people involved in animal rescue are collecters which in itself is a form of animal abuse.My pets tend to find me but Id never deal with the groupscause ive heard too many crazy stories.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:01 PM
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I think Eliza's concern or mention of the rescue being a non profit 501 organization is based on it not being some bird hoarder / person making money from an "adoption ploy". But Beaks you do have a good point... Just because they are a non profit doesn't guarantee the quality of the organization or care they provide.

Theres a rescue 'all animal' that is doing just that near me. They 'rescue' free puppies, kittens, horses, etc. Turn around, these free puppies are put up for adoption at $100+. Not neutered, spayed, or given shots. Sometimes they have issues (mange) that is treated. If its a small/toy breed puppy.. they do em for $250. They solicit free animals from people (parrots) so they can 'put them up for adoption'

I was going to try and go through an adoption agency, but I don't meet the criteria; I have two dogs, one of which is known as a big aggressive breed. I have 2 kids under the age of ten.

The ones listed at the front of the post, those are reasonable. Some strange, but reasonable. The one I was going to try for requested that you foster the bird before you could adopt, which IMO is an AWESOME idea so that you know if that FID is right for you.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:17 PM
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This is all rather intresting I rehome birds as well , I dont charge any adoption fees if someone feels they want to give a donantion great if not so what. the diffrence is The birds i rehome choose there owners if there is no bond no go. I tame them down first takes anything from a hour to two weeks . If they cant take the bird in question out of the cage they cant get him. i also find the longer u have the bird the harder they are to rehome as they either bond to u or worst case they become unhandlable. so with all these rules I ask where does there intrests lay with the well being of there pockets or the bird. not saying they are all the same dont know how they operate .
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:25 PM
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Quote---The one I was going to try for requested that you foster the bird before you could adopt, which IMO is an AWESOME idea so that you know if that FID is right for you.---Quote

I do that sometimes (i should do it more) but not with everyone after a few years of dealing with people you can pretty much tell when they meet a bird if it is going to work out or not.
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:23 AM
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well, its a large-ish adoption place, and they don't have a 'facility' just fostering. Pretty neat how its set up. But, they are also the 'donate to become a member before you can foster, before you can adopt' type.
I wouldn't mind it. It would tell me if my home COULD adapt to a 'too, or if a macaw is too much for me. Or if my lorikeet would get along with a pionus... that sort of thing.
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Old 10-18-2007, 06:28 AM
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About the Ellen Degeneres thing, I did read on it and it seemed that the rescue thought the new home was unfit so they took the dog back. Could be wrong, I read that off a gossip site.

Keep in mind the rescue could also be making a big stink because it's a celebrity and it's publicity for them.

This is one of the reasons many "rescues" annoy me. You don't ever really OWN the animal, it is theirs to take back at any time and as evidenced by this case, the animal is not YOURS to give to someone even if you implicitly trust that person.

It's a touchy subject because while rescues do seem to want the best for animals, their stringent policies and invasive, abrasive tactics drive many nice caring people AWAY from adopting.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:58 AM
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Only the IRS knows for sure.

My two cents (again) is that four cents?:

Many (not all) rescue and bird resource places are just people looking for free birds they want and farm out or sell what they do not want. It amounts to a "get free birds given to you scam" and make a few bucks on the side selling birds. I call it bird flipping. Remember the old adage, buy low sell high? Now it is get it free and sell it for as much as you can get.

My opinion, if they have a charitable tax number by the IRS they are legit. If they do not, beware.

Contact a pet store, bird breeders, private adds in papers. Go see the birds, give them money, sign nothing (unless it is a visa slip) and take YOUR bird(s) home (forever:)

Do you know signing those adoption papers basically gives them the authority to enter your home 24/7\365, any ole time they feel like it into eternity. What a power trip. The police do not have that much power over your life (yet:)
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