AviCalm - Anti-Agression? Does anyone use this product?

[Amie]

Originally Posted by Freedomoflight

I haven't but I've considered testing it on my caique that is just truly neurotic. Have you tried chammomile with your guy's birds? That might help. I've been told that buying the chammomile seeds from bulkfoods.com can be really beneficial.

Ummm, I think I need to look into that!! Chammomile tea used to be my main beverage when I was a toddler. . .my mother was convinced she could get me to sleep if she just had an IV of it hooked into me at all times :)

Do you have any sources about what it's supposed to do to our babies? I love hollistic choices.

[Freedomoflight]

Originally Posted by amiestgermain

Ummm, I think I need to look into that!! Chammomile tea used to be my main beverage when I was a toddler. . .my mother was convinced she could get me to sleep if she just had an IV of it hooked into me at all times :)

Do you have any sources about what it's supposed to do to our babies? I love hollistic choices.

I think I have sources that say what its supposed to do in tea format- let me browse through my files and pull them up for you :)

[Amie]

Originally Posted by Freedomoflight

I think I have sources that say what its supposed to do in tea format- let me browse through my files and pull them up for you :)

Thank you much!

[PowerBBS]

I have the AviCalm in hand. Turns out one of my wife's co-workers had an African Grey that she got it for (for plucking purposes) but it turned out that other medical reasons and conditions were causing her Grey the troubles.

So, she just "gave" an entire jar of it (un-opened and sealed) to my wife today. So I'm starting the regime tonight to see what happens.

I will definately post all follow-ups to this "test" daily to keep you all informed of any progress.

The only thing is... for the last two nights... my sweety U2 has been sweet again. Over 2 hours yesterday and almost 3 hours tonight I've had no troubles. Except when I pur her away. She starts to get the "look" in her eye at about that time and has done some gentle warning bites at my hands during this, but none-the-less I've gotten her put away with-out the regular battle that I've had the for last month.

I sure hope this is a permanent fix. However, she has been screaming more and more.... The AviCalm is suppost to address this as well. So I will start it, if anything to hopefully cure this distress she's in now.

Thank you.

[Freedomoflight]

Originally Posted by PowerBBS

I have the AviCalm in hand. Turns out one of my wife's co-workers had an African Grey that she got it for (for plucking purposes) but it turned out that other medical reasons and conditions were causing her Grey the troubles.

So, she just "gave" an entire jar of it (un-opened and sealed) to my wife today. So I'm starting the regime tonight to see what happens.

I will definately post all follow-ups to this "test" daily to keep you all informed of any progress.

The only thing is... for the last two nights... my sweety U2 has been sweet again. Over 2 hours yesterday and almost 3 hours tonight I've had no troubles. Except when I pur her away. She starts to get the "look" in her eye at about that time and has done some gentle warning bites at my hands during this, but none-the-less I've gotten her put away with-out the regular battle that I've had the for last month.

I sure hope this is a permanent fix. However, she has been screaming more and more.... The AviCalm is suppost to address this as well. So I will start it, if anything to hopefully cure this distress she's in now.

Thank you.

Cool please tell us how it works out!

[sassie]

Originally Posted by Freedomoflight

I haven't but I've considered testing it on my caique that is just truly neurotic. Have you tried chammomile with your guy's birds? That might help. I've been told that buying the chammomile seeds from bulkfoods.com can be really beneficial.

How would you give this? In water... at what percentage

[parrotntn]

Originally Posted by kellywess

Please folks remember that this is a crazy time of year for our usually sweet fids. Its springtime, breeding season... hormones are running wild, so is agression, screaming, feather plucking, and for our birds to either attack us for no reason or become clinged to us with velcro. Its hard times for caged birds who arent being used for breeding. In most cases they are looking at you for that special companionship and you fail to notice their advances thats when sweet tweety goes hormonal. Be patient. Give treats, buy new toys, sit their cage outside at the beginning of sunset or early morn for a little fresh air (not in direct sunlight) for about an hour... spray them down with a good misting. They love the breeze and the sounds of the other birds around. Just be patient. It should all be over soon enough. Im going through it too.

Never been a more true post. I would wait on any kind of treatment other than let mother nature take it's course. I've just survived a horrible season of hormones with Cleo, but she has pretty much came out of it and back to normal. My first Amazon hormone season. YIKES.
I'd be very hestitant to try to medicate mother nature. It's very easy to forget that although it's the year 2008 and we have airtravel, microwaves and internet that these are still undomesticated animals at the mercy of Mother Nature.

[SDavid]

Lets remember that plucking, screaming, and other neurotic behaviors are not problems. They are the result of a problem that your bird is having. If my bird has a problem I would not be selfish enough to say, for instance, that I care about my ears and not the cause of the birds stress. We brought them into our lives-they had no choice. We already deny our birds alot of what they are entitled to in life (which they instinctively miss) and so should consider their happiness first and consider what they are going through.

I would not sedate/medicate (if ever) until every possible cause for the behavior has been examined extensively. I agree with the posts above that it could be just mother nature running it's course. In which case it's probably cruel and selfish to sedate a bird. Just my opinion.

I'd say anyone who uses any product on their bird better know as much about it as possible. And, cost should not be a factor. Again, just my opinion.

[PowerBBS]

Last night the agressions got bad. I was petting her just fine. We were both sitting on the floor. About 30 minutes into giving her some loving attention , and "good girl... good girl franky... you're so sweat...", etc - she without provocation put up her plume and started to strut around the area between my two legs looking for an opportunity to lunge at my hands.

I kept my hands still and in place while she made one or two dry runs at them only "mouthing" my hand. I said "No franky... no bite"... she strutted around two or three more times then took the lunge. She got ahold of the side of my hand and dug her beak into it. As blood started to rush out of my hand, I gently had to pull her jaws apart to dislodge it from her grasp. All the time staying calm. When she got free she turned her head and did the same to my thumb. While that started to bleed I grabbed the towel I had placed on the floor to collect her poops and wrapped her into it. I used my now bleeding badly hand to dislodge my thumb from her mouth.

I did my best to clean up her and the area (but blood will definately show ontop of white feathers). I put her into her cage, locked her door and immediately made a mad dash for the bathroom where I cleaned and treated my wounds.

Several butterfly bandaids later, iodine, and silk thread later I'm sitting in the next room wondering what else to do.

Since "nature" running it's course could mean months upon months of her just not getting out of her cage at all. I"m left with little resolve other than to try some remedies. I see your point with letting nature run it's course. And it does sound like a natural (good) thing to do. But there's a reality of the situation missing from it. Would you "jail" your bird until it does fix itself (if ever)? I just dont' have the heart to leave her caged like that, for all that time. So I'm opting to try something. Her bloody war path has been going on now for over a month (and yes - with exception of two whole days - it's happening every day). Peaceful loving fid inside her cage, but get her out and watch out! I can't seem to put my finger on a cause and try to reverse it.

We've been trying some external training methods to try and get her to be loving bird she was from October 2007 (when we got her) until mid March 2008 (when she started - out of the blue - the aggressive behavior). Since mid March we've been trying to address the situation. It's just getting progressively worse.

I'm hoping the AviCalm or the chimimile(sp?) will help us out. Before we're foced contact our vet to see if there's perscription help to "mellow" her out a bit when we get her out. Besides that... he gives her a clean bill of health.

[ljhassell]

I by no means mean JAIL her- but a few days of her having little interaction works wonders. I have had to attend to dying elderly parent and birds have had no out time for 2 weeks, they didnt die or have any mental- physical problems. I think you need to consult a behaviourist- let me see if I can find some links,,,,Discover an Explosive New Parrot Training System

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