Peoples thoughts on rescues.....

[leighrivera161]

Originally Posted by Valo's Moirana

alright - i believe there are different view-points on the word rescue floating around here... one is the general one, the other is the personal one.
you can feel like you rescue a bird from a store since it was kept in bad or unsufficient conditions, but i think in a general point of view this is not a rescue. examples like listed by susan i'd more place in the general definition of rescue.

that's just a short summary of my opninion on this matter. (i mainly wanted to point out the different definitions used for the same word leading to a confusing discussion - been there, done that )

Bee,

I agree with what you are saying and I hear ya loud and clear. For instance your new baby sun, who knows how long that sweet baby might have stayed in those conditions if you didnt take him. In my terms that was a rescue. He had to get out of there! Now on the other hand, I have 3 true rescues. My CAG was found outside. No one claimed him after months of ads. No questions asked, I said "Ill take him!" Then my Ekkie and Rosie were in a situation where the owner could not keep them. When I got them home an had a good look at them, with their stuff covered in poop, I realized in was not a "rehome" but "a rescue". Then we have true shelters full of unwanted birds, ads in the papers, birds being passed from home to home. I guess Ill sum it up by saying from my heart "any bird not in a permanent home, or in a bad home needs to be rescued. Like I also said before, most of these chain stores are not managing exotic animals properly. I get sick when I go in most of them. Sometimes Ill just pop in to one Ive never been in just to see whats going on. If I dont like it, I start making phone calls.

[felisdomesticus]

I don't consider purchasing a bird from a pet store to be "rescuing" them... just like I don't consider purchasing a puppy mill pup in a pet store cage to be "rescuing" it.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, though.

[Valo's Moirana]

Originally Posted by felisdomesticus

I don't consider purchasing a bird from a pet store to be "rescuing" them... just like I don't consider purchasing a puppy mill pup in a pet store cage to be "rescuing" it.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, though.

i'm with you on that... our sun sure was more than overdue to leave the store, but i still wouldn't consider him a rescue since he'd been living - even without us (maybe as a plucker, but still living). for me a true rescue is a bird that is in terrible conditions with the thread of death next door... that could be outside, no owner, owners who don't care at all etc. (and it's hard to set the line between "poor care" and "no care" - i guess THIS is very much up to the individual)

leighrivera, i see your point in the sense of the animal-rights type of view (which is one of my biggest things... but don't wanna get side tracked). we keep our birds the best way we can and provide and spoil and do... in stores, they are lucky if they get fresh food and toys, which for us is unimaginable. but i'm not sure if i'd see that as a rescue situation (your CAG sure is, and so are your other 2 cuties).

Just for information:
As by thefreedictionary.com:
res·cue
1. To set free, as from danger or imprisonment; save.
2. Law To take from legal custody by force.
n.
1. An act of rescuing; a deliverance.
2. Law Removal from legal custody by force.

[GingerR]

I consider any bird I take from horrid squalid conditions to be 'rescued' from those conditions. From the bird's point of view, it doesn't matter if the squalid conditions are a retail establishment or someone's home.

I 'rescued' my Green Cheek from a pet store. I also apparently bought the last large hookbill they sold (they still sell canaries, finches, budgies and tiels). My Green Cheek died 8 months later from a compromised immune system, but during those 8 months, he had the best care I could have possibly provided, and he was loved as he never had been before. Had I not gotten him, likelihood is that someone who knew nothing about birds would have gotten him, and he would have been dead in under a month.

So far as I'm concerned, if a bird person takes a bird from horrid conditions and gives them good conditions with love, kindness, a good diet, toys, good vet care, etc, then they have rescued that bird. Yes, another may come and take that bird's place, but that particular bird was rescued.

[FeatherLover]

I think this is all an issue of semantics.

If we go with the definition of the verb "rescue" (to set free, as from danger or imprisonment--thanks, Bee), than "rescuing" from a rescue (noun) is not really rescuing but adopting.

I guess it's possible to "rescue" a bird from a pet store (I've seen birds living in terrible conditions), but the fact is, when you "rescue" (loose definition) from a pet store, you're financially supporting a store that treats its animals poorly.

Now, before I get beat down, let me be VERY clear on something: I am not anti-pet store. Togo came from Petsmart.

[Babyblue033]

Originally Posted by felisdomesticus

I don't consider purchasing a bird from a pet store to be "rescuing" them... just like I don't consider purchasing a puppy mill pup in a pet store cage to be "rescuing" it.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, though.

Actually I'm 100% with you. Personally, regardless of how bad a condition is at the petstore I wouldn't consider purchasing an animal from it a "rescue" because I may have saved that one but tomorrow there'll be another in its place. Unless I've actually done something to actually improve the actual condition the animals are kept in, other animals will be kept in that same condition and the petstore will simply make more money off of good hearted people.

Now, I'm not saying I haven't done it (not with birds, but with small animals ) but I just call it a "purchase" and not a "rescue". I wouldn't feel guilty about it either, rescues or not they were joy to have in my life. I just try to be honest about what I did and why I did it

It's just a matter of how you interpret the word "rescue" I guess. I personally have come to my own conclusion over the years of how I see a true "rescue" to be.

[FeatherLover]

Babyblue: we have the same cockatiel!

[bustersbuddy]

In general, I would say a purchased animal is not a rescue in the strictest sense of the word (look out, here comes the lawyer hat ). A price was set on the animal by the seller and the price was paid by the buyer. Money exchanged hands and an item was received in exchange for that money. However, I do think that a purchase can be a rescue from an ethical or moral standpoint. If the animal is being held under cruel or inadequate circumstances in a pet shop or a breeder and the purchaser buys the animal because he feels the animal is being abused and is better off being taken out of the situation, then this would be a legal sale in the traditional sense but morally and ethically could be viewed as a rescue.

Animals that are found when lost, removed from an owner by law enforcement, given up to a humane organization by the owner and then given to a new owner to be "rehomed" is a rescue situation, even if the rescuing agency charges an "adoption fee". The fee is not usually the retail cost of the animal, it is usually a fee that may partially reimburse the organization or person for the costs incurred in rescuing and treating the animal. Some organizations feel that charging some sort of fee adds "value" to the animal and that the new owner will be more responsible having "paid" for the cutie.

In a nutshell, those are my thoughts from the "legal" perspective on the situation. Hopefully, they are adequate but might not stand in court!

[little_angels]

i personally believe i rescued my african grey zuppy...and i did pay for him..i had no intention of getting a bird once my friend agreed to rehome the one i was lookin at...when we went to colelct him zup was in a tiny dog carrier with no perches...egg food and droppings all over his body and shivering..i brought him home gave him a goo home and i never regretted it for a minute! i rescued him out of a very bad situation but like i said i did have to pay full price..but hey i got a talking parrot at only 15weeks so i didnt do too bad


tango was also bought,,,he came from a petshop who kept him ina tinycage with no toys and cockatiel food..he was not in as bad a shape as zup but it broke my heart...and €1,600 he came home with me..hes gotten over his aggression issues now and i think he was saved from that plave! they dont deserve any animal!!...2 months before i bought tango they were closed down for a few weeks due to animal cruelty

[felisdomesticus]

Originally Posted by FeatherLover

If we go with the definition of the verb "rescue" (to set free, as from danger or imprisonment--thanks, Bee), than "rescuing" from a rescue (noun) is not really rescuing but adopting.

I agree. I adopted Scarlett from a rescue but I personally rescue cats that are about to be euthanized from the shelter.