OMG...she can't do this to me!!!!

[little_angels]

i suppose it was niave of me to think that some people could be supportive of someone breeding for the birds not for the money..dont worry i dont think i will be visiting this board much longer...seems a few people have taken a dislike to me and altho it is my nature to stand my ground and fight...i have enough trouble going on around to be worried about what people think...

yet again i find myself trying to justify myself to people who dont even know me enough to be able to form any kind of opinion of me...i do enjoy being part of this forum but like i said im not up for the hassle now...i hope lola you always are able to keep your birds and never sell one and that the weather stays fine for you..i truly mean that..im not being sarcastic before you take offence
and for the record it is not my little buy and breed business...i am goin to lend a hand like any friend would

cya

[Dayna]

Originally Posted by little_angels

i suppose it was niave of me to think that some people could be supportive of someone breeding for the birds not for the money..dont worry i dont think i will be visiting this board much longer...seems a few people have taken a dislike to me and altho it is my nature to stand my ground and fight...i have enough trouble going on around to be worried about what people think...

yet again i find myself trying to justify myself to people who dont even know me enough to be able to form any kind of opinion of me...i do enjoy being part of this forum but like i said im not up for the hassle now...i hope lola you always are able to keep your birds and never sell one and that the weather stays fine for you..i truly mean that..im not being sarcastic before you take offence
and for the record it is not my little buy and breed business...i am goin to lend a hand like any friend would

cya

I would like for you to stay on the board. We have so few breeders here due to a select few chasing them all off. Breeding is tough and emotional topic for discussion. I would just ignore and not read responses from people who are being unfair or confrontational.

Thank you for lending a hand with your friend, helping to make these babies well socialized and friendly.

[bb100]

Ya know what.. I just read Lola's posts and I gotta tell ya I'm not buying the just parrotlets.

Breeding Conures

Sorry but I call you know what...

To the Original Poster your on a Public Forum not everyone's going to agree but is no reason to abandon ship.

Water off a duck's back..

[felisdomesticus]

Originally Posted by little_angels

dont worry i dont think i will be visiting this board much longer...seems a few people have taken a dislike to me

I disagree wth the breeding of non-endangered birds when there are so many out there who need homes...

but that doesn't mean that I don't like you. I just disagree with that one issue. It's not personal.

Jill

[Stizby]

This thread is just crying for a Moderator.....

little angels: I hope you will stick around as well. Don't let one person so taint your view of all of us here on the Board as to make you want to ditch all of us. You'll see that there are a lot of friendly folks here. And real knowledgeable ones, too who might be able to answer any questions you might have on behalf of your friend as she gets her operation going. Hope to see you around....

[Dayna]

Originally Posted by felisdomesticus

I disagree wth the breeding of non-endangered birds when there are so many out there who need homes...

but that doesn't mean that I don't like you. I just disagree with that one issue. It's not personal.

Jill

Jill, your responses are never mean or sarcastic. You always get right to the point. And while we disagree about some things, I always respect your way of getting your point across. You are nice and to the point. :)

I hope she was not talking about you.

[little_angels]

no i wasnt talkin about you dont worry lol your direct and opinionated (which is a good thing) your not unrational and pig headed thats what i dont like

[Grillis]

I don't think you should put breeders down and say that they are bad people just because they breed. And everybody who is keeping a pet are in some ways selfish. I think you should focus on getting people to understand the responsibility of having a bird instead of putting a breeder down, who is not even reading it. If more people knew that, less birds would be given up.

[bustersbuddy]

I'm going to present a different view here. I am sure that some of you are going to get very angry at me but try to hear what I am saying before you attack. The only thing I questioned about Little Angel's friend starting to breed birds was her level of experience and was she really prepared for what she was about to undertake. Little Angel says the lady has plenty of experience and knows what she is doing. Enough said for me.

I have to look at this question from a global and environmental perspective. Many of our birds are endangered species whose native habitat is under constant pressure. For example, all of the species of Amazon parrots are either on CITES Appendix II or Appendix I. All of them are "threatened" and the many are "endangered" while a number of others are "uncertain". I suspect that most of the African species are equally endangered. Certainly, all of the Asian parrots are under tremendous pressure from habitat destruction. There are enormous numbers of birds collected in the wild every day and the only way to take the pressure off wild populations is to breed these birds in captivity. To my mind, we need as many captive breeding programs as we can muster. If we do not continue to work with and breed these birds in a captive setting then we will loose many of these species to extinction in the next 10 to 20 years. Captive breeding programs offer the best scenario currently available. Yes, we should be working every day to preserve the habitat. Yes, we should be supporting every adoption possible for unwanted and abused birds. But I do not believe that breeders are at fault for persuing their hobbies/livelihoods and trying to do their part to save endangered species. I do not believe that breeders deserve to be villified and told they are "bad people". Without breeders, many species would already be extinct. Without a captive program, Spinx macaws are certainly doomed. They maybe already, but at least there is a chance of sustaining the species for another generation or two. Maybe by then we will have wised up and quit cutting down the jungles.

If you really want to prevent abused and abandoned birds, then your first job is EDUCATION! Donate your time to a local humane society and offer to give classes in proper bird care. Write articles for your local newspapers about how to select a bird that is right for you. Many small town newspapers are always short of articles and will welcome something different. Take your bird to school and do a "show and tell" for a class. Share this board with your local pet store and ask if it can be advertised on their website. Work with your local breeder and find out if they are making an effort to place a certain number of offspring with zoological gardens, parks, etc. where the birds can be displayed and bred under more controlled conditions. Education is everything! Ignorance and misinformed purchases are the reason for the number of abandoned birds, not breeders.

These are difficult issues that we must deal with NOW! And we must deal with them in a common sense, factual manner. Our emotions must stay out of it and we have to make decisions based on what is best for the species in the long run, i.e. the next 200 or 300 years, not just out of a feeling of sorrow for those animals that are abused by uneducated owners. Believe me, I face this question every day with my orchids. Do we ban all collecting of plants or do we allow limited collecting of new species in order to bring them into cultivation and thereby possibly save the species from extinction? And don't say "well, that's different. They are JUST plants!", because no, they are not JUST plants any more than our beloved fids are JUST birds. In fact, when you look at the role that green plants play in the planet's overall ecosystem, a green plant might just be the most important organism on the Earth! And yet, orchid nurseries and nursery owners that specialize in orchid species are constantly condemned by a certain portion of the population for "exploiting" nature and cultivating the plants for "their own glory and egotistical satisfaction". Judging from some of the harsh comments directed at breeders herein, the same outlook exists in the bird world. More's the pity! But that's just my opinion.

[WeLuvBirds]

BUSTERSBUDDY WELL PUT......................