Can someone explain please?

[Birdsmile]

Originally Posted by Monica

In some parts of the world, we DO need more breeders... so that in this way, it'll help stop the flow of wild caught parrots... but in others, like here in America, we need far fewer breeders.

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I hate to say this but it is " supply and demand " In the US we have more breeders so supply is higher so price is lower, so smuggling is not profitable- If we no longer had breeders supply would go down and we would have more smuggling, We have Mexico and S. America close.

People say its more education that is needed, I personally doubt it I see a society with a "disposable" attitude over everything, not just our pets. No one accepts responsibility anymore so pass it on to the breeder It must be their fault. Its not money this happens to expensive and inexpensive animals.

Out by me the "Rescues" I tend to see are "I want free birds" or "scams"
We have a rescue who takes in birds and makes you Voluntier at their Rescue (someones home) to clean .Then adopts at a fee more than a baby would cost, free bird +donated items + free labor = expensive birds ?
I think "Breeders " and "Rescues" are both blown out of proportion.
I dont think their are that many "bad" breeders as I also dont believe there are that many "good" rescues sorry to say.

[jimpierce7]

I feel fortunate to have been able to deal with the breeder I got Sophie from. He has been into birds for 40 years breeding for over 25 and yes, its a prime source of income for him. As the other breeder I talked to did this I thought it may be common but maybe not. He was adamant that if at any time during Sophie's lifetime I found I needed to re home her to do it with him and NOT a rescue or shelter. Both breeders I talked to took this stand.
It wasn't because they don't like rescues or shelters either.


In my own insane opinion, to a point, I agree with the mommy and daddy buying the rug rat a bird with no knowledge of what they are getting into kind of thing. But I also see and hear a lot (this is what PISSES me off) about people that to them they are simple possessions like a TV or microwave. Top them they are disposable. That just gets under my skin to no end!

[Mike B]

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Out by me the "Rescues" I tend to see are "I want free birds" or "scams"
We have a rescue who takes in birds and makes you Voluntier at their Rescue (someones home) to clean .Then adopts at a fee more than a baby would cost, free bird +donated items + free labor = expensive birds ?
I think "Breeders " and "Rescues" are both blown out of proportion.
I dont think their are that many "bad" breeders as I also dont believe there are that many "good" rescues sorry to say.[/quote]


That "rescue" will leave a bad taste won't it.

Mike

[FeathersNFur8]

If there are breeders where you are stacking birds on top of each other then fair enough that is awful, but dont put all of us in that category.

Enlightening thread. I guess it just comes down to individual experiences that play a part in your view. I realize my opinion is biased, so I try not to say too much on the subject. I haven't had a very good opinion of breeders based on my personal experience. If anyone ever saw where my two birds came from, they would lose sleep.

Someday, I would like to see a good breeder's setup! I'd like to think it would restore my faith that people do care for these birds and try to give them the best start.

[Monica]

Originally Posted by Birdsmile

I hate to say this but it is " supply and demand " In the US we have more breeders so supply is higher so price is lower, so smuggling is not profitable- If we no longer had breeders supply would go down and we would have more smuggling, We have Mexico and S. America close.

People say its more education that is needed, I personally doubt it I see a society with a "disposable" attitude over everything, not just our pets. No one accepts responsibility anymore so pass it on to the breeder It must be their fault. Its not money this happens to expensive and inexpensive animals.

Indeed, you are right, it's 'supply and demand'... however, I think we have a far greater supply than we do demand, which results in unwanted animals... In Australia, things sound pretty even out. In Ireland, they probably have a higher demand than supply if they have to import birds. Here in America, if it was as evened out as Australia, I don't think we'd have an issue with illegally caught parrots, but there's still countries out there that do not have bans on wild caught birds, who may have a high demand of birds... and because of that, they easily accept wild caughts. Places like these are places that we NEED breeders of parrots. That's all I was saying, in 'short'.

And as far as education goes, yeah you are right there... Education is a big key in getting animals into better living conditions, but ONLY if that person is WILLING to listen, and follow advice. Otherwise, any and all education we may give to these people will simply go down the drain. I've seen it plenty of times before, with my own eyes. For example, Mouth an OW zon... or 4 tiels I knew off... female died in first pair, male given to me, I later rehomed him. Male died in second pair, and they still have the female... the cage bottom is littered with old and new seeds, which are designed for wild birds... mice have often times been seen scrounging around the bottom of the cage. I've talked with the owners, an animal control officer has talked with one of them, but still the conditions remain the same.

[felisdomesticus]

Originally Posted by Monica

And as far as education goes, yeah you are right there... Education is a big key in getting animals into better living conditions, but ONLY if that person is WILLING to listen, and follow advice.

It sounds so easy but even people who LISTEN to information will choose to disregard it if it suits their purpose. I have heard almost a dozen stories this past month alone about men who don't want to neuter their dogs because the idea makes THEM uncomfortable. They know all about overpopulation, aggression, marking, etc. but still choose not to do the right thing.

You can try to educate people about buying from reputable breeders but the whole "I want it NOW" mindset is a huge barrier. Just look how many people here on this very board mail-order baby birds.

[Eliza]

Originally Posted by felisdomesticus

I have heard almost a dozen stories this past month alone about men who don't want to neuter their dogs because the idea makes THEM uncomfortable.

Tell me about it... And I even hear that from females, too!

On another note, I was recently part of a discussion where someone wanted to breed their petstore purebred b/c "the vet said that every dog should be bred at least once." WHAT

And don't get me started on folks that don't spay/neuter b/c their fuzzy-lumpkins s/he SO BEAUTIFUL and should be bred for that reason alone...

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[felisdomesticus]

Originally Posted by ejw829

On another note, I was recently part of a discussion where someone wanted to breed their petstore purebred b/c "the vet said that every dog should be bred at least once."

Now THAT'S a vet that is showing their age! Time to retire!

[FeathersNFur8]

It sounds so easy but even people who LISTEN to information will choose to disregard it if it suits their purpose.

Ain't that the truth and sadly we read about...even here.

[bustersbuddy]

Yes, it is sometimes discouraging but that doesn't mean you stop. I teach monthly classes on orchid culture every month at the Huntington Library and Botanical Gardens and every month someone invaribly pays bucks to come in and hear me yap and no matter what I say will decide they know better and do the exact opposite. It doesn't stop me from teaching and it doesn't stop me from answering questions. No matter what the reaction, no matter how they treat the information, education remains JOB ONE! There is no change of minds and hearts without it.