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I don't have experience with a talking parrot but this just seems wrong. First of all, it would be very aggravating to have the same thing repeated over and over to you for hours and hours. Second of all, you're not providing your parrot with some nice quiet sleep time.
Just think of it... would you enjoy listening to an annoying tape for the entire night, for days while you're just trying to get some sleep??? I'm sure that there are many more productive ways to stimulate your parrot into talking. This method seems like you are forcing it to talk... |
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Interesting concept...
I think whoever made up this method was going for the human version of hypnosis in sleep. Just but my 2cents, but entire point of putting your parrot in a dark room, at night is so he can get a good nights sleep(12 hours), not to work on something he can mimic. With a recorder going off all night the parrot may have trouble getting to sleep, and although you may get an outcome of a talking parrot, you may also recieve an irritable parrot.
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I have to agree...I'm certainly no expert, but I do have two talking parrots myself, and your method, well- it doesn't seem like the best thing to do.
Fatma, I know you mean well, and I'm sure you love your bird very much... but the *best* way to teach a bird to interact with you -and talk- is to make eye contact and talk TO them. Making associations between the words and actions always helps too... for example, say in a real cheery voice: "Hi Pretty bird! You want a treat?" (and hand the bird a snack or treat). If you say that each and every time you give the bird a treat, they will make the association that the words go along with the action (the treat). If you are lucky, they will soon be saying part or all of the phrase back to you. :icon_smil Same thing with getting them to say things like "Night-night birdies!" and "Good Morning!". These are things they have to hear you say over and over in conjunction with an *action*. This is how they learn what saying certain words actually mean, and the result they bring - as well as a response. A bird's sleep time is very important to their health and well being. Now, there are tapes you can make (or buy) to play during DAYTIME hours that will make a bird familiar with phrases and all. But that is still lacking something very important - interaction with YOU, the birds owner and caregiver. The bird will learn the words eventually, but have no clue what they mean or how they bring about a response or action from you. One thing you can do to kind of help things along, (but I wouldn't recommend it as the ONLY way to teach a bird, either) is to keep a TV or a radio on low volume during the day when you aren't around. Put it on a kids channel with cartoons or kid's programing and they will hear interesting simple phrases, words, counting, etc. spoken with cheer all day long. :icon_smil Savvy* Last edited by SavvyMoon; 02-12-2005 at 04:44 PM. |
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I'm sorry Fatma, but I thought your post was a joke at first. I think it sounds totally cruel. Please don't do this to your parrot. AT night he needs a good night's sleep (12 hours is usually prescribed) and I would never put him in a dark place during the day.
I think Savvy's advice is the best. Best wishes, Michele and Humph
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I'd have to agree with everyone else on this one (sorry Fatma). There is NO guarantee that any bird will talk. That's just not something that you can make it do. I love the "association theory". I've read in several places about taking your bird around your home, and talk about what it sees. This will help them associate words with items/actions. Also Fatma, your grey is VERY intelligent. I've heard of some greys hearing a phrase or sound only once and using it like they've known it for years.
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My Buddy's (male budgie) first word wasn't the word I had worked weeks with him to learn. The reason? It didn't sound fun to say. I would sit with him 15 minutes per day and say "hello" over and over. He just looked at me like I was a freak, and would pretend to sleep. His first word? "Hi bee bees!" which is what I say to them when I get home, and it's said with much enthusiasm. His second words? "Good boy!" because those are also said with enthusiasm. He still has never learned to say hello. The words that sound the funnest to say are the ones that are going to be learned first. You can repeat and repeat until you're blue in the face or until your tape recorder batteries run out, but that doesn't mean that they'll learn to say it.
I leave the radio on for my birds when I'm gone, and I know for a fact that Buddy has learned words from the radio because I certainly did not teach them to him, nor do I say them very often! I agree that putting your bird in the dark is not the best method. Spend time with your bird, and once in a while, say something four or five times in a row, with lots of enthusiasm and voice inflection. Savvymoon also has a great suggestion in associating words with actions. Buddy knows that when I give him a kiss, I say "I love you" and when he wants a kiss from me or Lexi (female budgie), he says "I love you" or makes the "muah" sound. If he wants me to go over to him, he says "hi bee bees!". My Buddy is quite the little chatter box, and in my experience, these are the "best" ways to teach your bird how to talk. |
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Fatma has a point though the tape all night is not right. Maybe for fifteen or twenty minutes right at lights out though. Introducing new words to birds once settled, quiet and in the dark does work and it is how my one nanday learned to talk. Every night at lights out she would grumble nandayish in her cage. So at lights out I would sit by her cage and whisper back to her. She says night night ego, kish kish, wuv you, pretty baby, good bird and she duplicates my giggles. She picked up nothing during daylight hours but lights out seems a special time for her. We call her a closet talker. So if you have a bird that lacks the confidence to speak during daylight, lights out is a great time to teach your bird a new phrase. Though Diego still never speaks in the daylight.
My hubby gets up at five am to go to work. On his way through the living room he passes the pionus cage. Each time he passed Cosmo Pionus would growl at him and he would say "Hey buddy". Now as he passes the cage in the morning and when he comes home from work he is greeted with " hey buddy" from the pionus. Lynda |
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I really don't believe in having expectations. I think if you get a bird, love him, interact with him, teach him through positive reinforcement. Some birds just do not talk and I think it cruel to have expectations that he will.
Everyone is right about him needing his rest. You are likely to find a very grouchy, unhappy, and unhealthy bird if you keep him up all night with a tape. I like the idea of talking to him right as you put them to bed. That is a very relaxing time for your fid and may help with teaching him to talk. Just please don't try to force it by interrupting his most needed rest. Birds are so emotional and fragile it is easy to corrupt all of the positive reinforcement that you have already given him. This could take years to get back. Also just teaching him a word with no meaning really doesn't do much for his intellect. There should be some form of action associated with a word or you are likely to end up with a bird that just repeats a word or 2. Wiley uses words in context any time he speaks. Everything has a meaning and things happen when he says them and he knows it. Of course, Wiley is: "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius" Our 3 Tiels, though we work with them daily and have for over a year, do not talk. That is fine because we all love each other regardless. Annie and Junior only Say Hello, and Laugh, I will never expect more but as always we work with them anyway. Love for your fids should be unconditional, regardless of personality, possibitities and hopes. Much like a mothers love for a child. They are our children, they just have feathers. Always take into consideration their emotional well being and health before doing anything. Good Luck with your sweet baby.
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hmmm!
the tape recorder does not sound like a good idea but it depends on how you go about it, in fact i may giv it a go. but only for 10/15 mins a day at bed time. i have a cockatoo who is 12 he has never talked and i did not get him for this reason n e way, i love him 2 bits and nothing could change that, however to hear him say 1 word and even if he dident no the meaning to it i would be exstatic. i do talk to him but if i knew there would be a slight possibility of him talking i would take more lenghtyer mesures of encouragement |
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