Bird Flu is Back in the News....We as Parrot Owners should be worried!

[tamaran2]

Originally Posted by r2rusmc

You really need to learn some facts before you restart this ugly rumor.

First of all just because the bird wasn't outside does not mean it could not have been exposed.

END is spread primarily through direct contact between healthy birds and the bodily discharges of infected birds. The disease is transmitted through infected birds' droppings and secretions from the nose, mouth, and eyes. END spreads rapidly among birds kept in confinement, such as commercially raised chickens.

High concentrations of the END virus are in birds' bodily discharges. Therefore, the disease can be spread easily by mechanical means. Virus-bearing material can be picked up on shoes and clothing and carried from an infected flock to a healthy one. The disease is often spread by vaccination and debeaking crews, manure haulers, rendering truck drivers, feed delivery personnel, poultry buyers, egg service people, and poultry farm owners and employees.

The END virus can survive for several weeks in a warm and humid environment on birds' feathers, manure, and other materials. It can survive indefinitely in frozen material. However, the virus is destroyed rapidly by dehydration and by the ultraviolet rays in sunlight.

Smuggled pet birds, especially Amazon parrots from Latin America, pose a great risk of introducing exotic Newcastle into U.S. poultry flocks. Amazon parrots that are carriers of the disease but do not show symptoms are capable of shedding END virus for more than 400 days.

As for the killing of birds in front of their owners, that too is but a rumor started by ticked off people.

Do you really believe that the professionals that had a job to do are that heartless and cruel?

Furthermore, the owners were offered the option of testing and quarantine. Most chose the money given in exchange for euthanasia.

First I'm not in any way trying to start an ugly rumor...

1. I know people who did have their HEALTH Bird put to sleep, with NO testing.
2. I know how it is spread.

Here is the point...The Emergency Services Act Authorizes the Government to suspend any State Laws and Regulations but not the State Constitution, United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

But in Calf. with this they failed to follow proper legal procedure and violating due process and equal protection of the law;violating civil and Constitutional rights of citizens.

My whole point is the ownership vs guardianship, that was used as a example that our legal rights could be taken away.

[r2rusmc]

Originally Posted by tamaran2

First I'm not in any way trying to start an ugly rumor...

1. I know people who did have their HEALTH Bird put to sleep, with NO testing.
2. I know how it is spread.

Here is the point...The Emergency Services Act Authorizes the Government to suspend any State Laws and Regulations but not the State Constitution, United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

But in Calf. with this they failed to follow proper legal procedure and violating due process and equal protection of the law;violating civil and Constitutional rights of citizens.

My whole point is the ownership vs guardianship, that was used as a example that our legal rights could be taken away.

I didn't say YOU started the rumor but you are "restarting" one that is already out there.

What's easier to tell others? They didn't give me a choice and killed my bird OR they gave me a nice fat check for my bird?

By disputing what they had the authority to do, are you advocating the allowing a serious threat to our birds to continue and just hope it doesn't come to your neighborhood?

When it comes to devastating disease, there is no difference between ownership and guardianship.

What is your expert opinion on controlling the spread of this nature of disease as quickly and as efficiently as possible?

They followed the law and I'll stand by that statement until a court of law says differently.

[r2rusmc]

I just went and review the lawsuit link you provided.

You do realize that that site is run by animal rights activists don't you?

[tamaran2]

Originally Posted by r2rusmc

I didn't say YOU started the rumor but you are "restarting" one that is already out there.

What's easier to tell others? They didn't give me a choice and killed my bird OR they gave me a nice fat check for my bird?

By disputing what they had the authority to do, are you advocating the allowing a serious threat to our birds to continue and just hope it doesn't come to your neighborhood?

When it comes to devastating disease, there is no difference between ownership and guardianship.

What is your expert opinion on controlling the spread of this nature of disease as quickly and as efficiently as possible?

They followed the law and I'll stand by that statement until a court of law says differently.

I truely believe that more test done by owners, more breeders following the MAPS would be a start, but on a voluntary bases. Not involuntary with our government stepping in.

I support the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), and will continue to support them.

their mission:

Mission Statement
The mission of the Association is to improve animal and human health and advance the veterinary medical profession.
Objective
The objective of the Association shall be to advance the science and art of veterinary medicine, including its relationship to public health, biological science, and agriculture

[tamaran2]

Originally Posted by r2rusmc

I just went and review the lawsuit link you provided.

You do realize that that site is run by animal rights activists don't you?

Yes I know that!

[r2rusmc]

Originally Posted by tamaran2

I truely believe that more test done by owners, more breeders following the MAPS would be a start, but on a voluntary bases. Not involuntary with our government stepping in.

I support the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), and will continue to support them.

their mission:

So birds in a quarantine area should be taken from the house to the vet to be tested? What about contamination on the way too and fro?

I support the AVMA as well.

But I will not support the mamby pamby tip toeing around a devastating disease AND risk further contamination.

Kinda hypocritical of you to be against the AR movement but use their information to support another position.

[tamaran2]

Kinda hypocritical of you to be against the AR movement but use their information to support another position

No I could have pulled it from offical court records.

I don't want to continue to what seems like an arguement/debate going to no where.
Lets just agree to disagree. Let not make this personal. I think Kevin made that point loud and clear yesterday. Seems best seeing that your a mod. Right? I'm correct in that aren't I?

I would just encourage everyone to be just become aware

Here is a great place to start on the AVMA's website..

State Legislative Resources - Issues

[wildirish]

This happen a few years ago with END and I am not by any means trying to dispute that authorities had certain rights, and that this is a terrible disease, and that there is no good way to stop the spread of it when it happens, but rumors aside, there were people on different bird boards back then that reported pet parrots being killed within certain radiouses of infected chicken farms etc.

Newcastle Outbreak News

Cocka2.Com - END Media Coverage - January, 2003

I remember reading these stories from members on thoses boards and feeling entirely helpless like so many others. It really won't matter whether we are owners or guardians when something like this happens. I do think based on what people who lived in those areas were saying is that some of the people going door to door were over zealous. I mean in a situation like that I would bet that most people were freaked out and that the ones "in charge" of finding infected birds were probably sick and tired of having to do that horrible job as well.

I think that when a disease like END or Bird flu happens people panic, it is hard not too, things can get out of hand very quickly, and education about things like this is the only way to "help" . I wish there were easy answers, but I don't have a clue as to what they are. Movies and rumors only lead to more scare tactics and cause more harm than good.

[smileyakamarie]

Originally Posted by tamaran2

Yes it was way back when in Maryland I believe, 30 or more years ago. I'd have to look it up. But they put some chicken farmers out of business. ( Lisa B. might have the doc's on this.)

But with Newcastle in Calf. They did go door to door and they put peoples pet parrots that had NEVER even been outside, so their was NO way they were exposed, but that did not matter they killed them anyway. Some of them were killed right in front of their crying, begging owners!

That would be funny to really see them come to my house and pull some crap like that. I might have a special DOG that loves to answer the door with me and very very large gun in the other hand....

I will can protect my home along with my family birds, dog and all..

On the real...If I hear of such news in the DFW area the little birds will go to my room far in the back of the house...LOL look and ye will not find.....

[KimM]

I think laws would be quite different these days as far as pets are concerned. Many animal people would be outraged and I'm sure this would get a lot of press if someone got into their homes taking their beloved birds.
From what I've read, it seems to affect chickens for the most part. Ewww. Now I don't want to eat chicken anymore. I think I'll stick to seafood and beef.

I'd like to see anyone get in my house and try to take my babies. That is NOT going to happen.. .not in my lifetime anyway. Evil Kim would rear her ugly head