Important Email from Maggie Wright concerning laws to make it Illegal to own Parrots

[Monica]

Originally Posted by tamaran2

Monica.....

Nope. None of the email was me. It was posted as I got it.

As far as the laws go, I am FOR animal WELFARE but NOT Animal RIGHTS!

There is a big, big difference.

Thanks for that. I gathered that at least two people wrote within that message, but sounded like a third.

Originally Posted by angelicarboreals

Here in Tennessee they passed the law last year that it is illegal to smoke in an establishment. Yep, that's right. If you are a smoker in Tennessee the only place you can smoke is at your home, in your car (they are working on banning that), or at a friend's home. No restaurants and no bars. I don't smoke, so it doesn't affect me- but it is taking away the rights of smokers. It is scary how quickly that right was taken away from people.

I only know of two people (for sure) within my family that don't smoke. I'm one of them. Cigarettes are not healthy for you. People do die of second hand smoking. I see the reason behind it, and they have the same law in Nevada. Smoking for people is like the 'mite protectors' for birds. Just because they sell it doesn't make it healthy! We can twist it and say that although it takes away the right of smokers, smokers have no right to put other peoples health at risk! Therefore, smokers should not be smoking around non-smokers!

As for manpower... well, if it means getting off their lazy bums, then isn't that a good thing? Alright, I do understand that but it is also from my understanding that a lot of what we pay them goes to waste...

Originally Posted by hobbit

I'm sorry once again I spoke generally. Not making fun of you, what you've said is true! Peta generally speaking now is not taken seriously by most. however our government tends to listen to the crackpots that make alot of noise n getTHE MEDIA attention, need I say more?

Please, no apology needed! (no harm, no fowl!) I don't support PETA, but I'm sure PETA wouldn't still be running if it didn't have supporters! Indeed, your right! And PETA's goal is to get everyone to be vegetarians as they euthanize all of our pets! (I like my steak medium-rare tyvm! )




[somehow, I'm liking Australia even more! although I've heard they tax everything worse than in the US???]

[odhinn]

Originally Posted by angelicarboreals

Here in Tennessee they passed the law last year that it is illegal to smoke in an establishment. Yep, that's right. If you are a smoker in Tennessee the only place you can smoke is at your home, in your car (they are working on banning that), or at a friend's home. No restaurants and no bars. I don't smoke, so it doesn't affect me- but it is taking away the rights of smokers. It is scary how quickly that right was taken away from people.

Heck they did that here several years ago and most of the bars and restaurants in the ban areas went under. I quit last year after almost 15 years of 3 packs a day. So I understand the frustration they feel. To get laws passed to ban smoking is a waste of our tax dollars. All people have to do is move to a different location if smoke is bothering them or simple ask a smoker to quit. That's what I do now that I have quit (my opinion only). The fact that "big Brother" is able to take these freedoms away from everyone is because there are so few people involved in the political process. Essentially our Reps can do what ever they want because most people truly have no idea what laws are being voted in or out. All they know is how to gripe when a law is passed that they don't agree with.

As for animal laws being passed. Most are passed by each states legislatures or are added to each individual city/county codes. an example is a new law passed here by 2 counties that I know of that state if you have a female dog that is not of breeding stock she must be spayed. If she is a breeder then a breeding license must be obtained and appropriate fees paid each year for her. It is also now illegal to sell dogs without a breeders license and all sales ads must contain the license number.

A saying I have always liked is "With great freedom comes great responsibility". Without responsibility all freedom is lost.

I hope I didn't get to far off subject.

[hobbit]

Please, no apology needed! (no harm, no fowl!) I don't support PETA, but I'm sure PETA wouldn't still be running if it didn't have supporters! Indeed, your right! And PETA's goal is to get everyone to be vegetarians as they euthanize all of our pets! (I like my steak medium-rare tyvm! )




[somehow, I'm liking Australia even more! although I've heard they tax everything worse than in the US???]
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I like mine med to med rare as well. most places can't get it right! n call themselves steakhouses
Australia is looking good??? I do know a person who went an had hard time becoming citizen!! But good with bad there too

[hobbit]

Originally Posted by odhinn

Heck they did that here several years ago and most of the bars and restaurants in the ban areas went under. I quit last year after almost 15 years of 3 packs a day. So I understand the frustration they feel. To get laws passed to ban smoking is a waste of our tax dollars. All people have to do is move to a different location if smoke is bothering them or simple ask a smoker to quit. That's what I do now that I have quit (my opinion only). The fact that "big Brother" is able to take these freedoms away from everyone is because there are so few people involved in the political process. Essentially our Reps can do what ever they want because most people truly have no idea what laws are being voted in or out. All they know is how to gripe when a law is passed that they don't agree with.

As for animal laws being passed. Most are passed by each states legislatures or are added to each individual city/county codes. an example is a new law passed here by 2 counties that I know of that state if you have a female dog that is not of breeding stock she must be spayed. If she is a breeder then a breeding license must be obtained and appropriate fees paid each year for her. It is also now illegal to sell dogs without a breeders license and all sales ads must contain the license number.

A saying I have always liked is "With great freedom comes great responsibility". Without responsibility all freedom is lost.

I hope I didn't get to far off subject.

kinda but not entirely
I agree with the big bother thing but, you have ta' remember it's also a case that if you don't use and defend your rights they will be taken from you. People don't know they can challenge laws or figure they will leave it to someone else!! It is everyone's responcablity to challenge what they don't feel is right! This is how small groups get what they want while we complain!
The other thing is bills/laws are passed that have the sweeteners( Obama has been talking of them) in them to get them passed! A bill/ law will come up about pooping in your yard n get passed, but no mention of law saying you can't hug your kid is mentioned, that is part of the poop law!!!!

[odhinn]

Originally Posted by hobbit

kinda but not entirely
I agree with the big bother thing but, you have ta' remember it's also a case that if you don't use and defend your rights they will be taken from you. People don't know they can challenge laws or figure they will leave it to someone else!! It is everyone's responcablity to challenge what they don't feel is right! This is how small groups get what they want while we complain!
The other thing is bills/laws are passed that have the sweeteners( Obama has been talking of them) in them to get them passed! A bill/ law will come up about pooping in your yard n get passed, but no mention of law saying you can't hug your kid is mentioned, that is part of the poop law!!!!

Yep, I agree. Its a shame that our reps hide things from the people that elected them just so they can do what they want. One thing that always irritates me is if I ask any number of people what rights they have in the constitution most may come up with freedom of speech and freedom of religion but none of the others. Ask those same people who won American idol for the last 3 years and who were the runner up's. I bet the majority will know both of those answers in full. In reality, until people start paying close attention to what is going on in our government our reps will continue to do what they want or hide what they are doing from the people they are suppose to be helping.

As far as making it illegal to own hookbills I do not think it will be possible. There are to many owners that treat their companions the right way and this looks more like right wing propaganda to me. They may attempt it but organized groups of owners are all over the US in almost every city. These groups will almost always keep on top of possible laws like this and inform the parrot owning community. I have just woke up so pardon the grammer, spelling, and generalizations. I just got both eyes working and haven't had my morning coffee yet.

[hobbit]

Originally Posted by odhinn

Yep, I agree. Its a shame that our reps hide things from the people that elected them just so they can do what they want. One thing that always irritates me is if I ask any number of people what rights they have in the constitution most may come up with freedom of speech and freedom of religion but none of the others. Ask those same people who won American idol for the last 3 years and who were the runner up's. I bet the majority will know both of those answers in full. In reality, until people start paying close attention to what is going on in our government our reps will continue to do what they want or hide what they are doing from the people they are suppose to be helping.

As far as making it illegal to own hookbills I do not think it will be possible. There are to many owners that treat their companions the right way and this looks more like right wing propaganda to me. They may attempt it but organized groups of owners are all over the US in almost every city. These groups will almost always keep on top of possible laws like this and inform the parrot owning community. Once again I have just woke up so pardon the grammer, spelling, and generalizations. I just got both eyes working and haven't had my morning coffee yet.

should get eyes open first like me. once again you are correct, unfortunately. This nation has become one of sheep, bet most don't know news is biast( ok i'll get a dictionary some day) and cencusered. . As too bird owned being restricted. In the early 80's I had to get both state and fed permits to have my birds. Hmmm he said There are laws and regulations in place just not inforced and forgotten Just like imigration There are laws to protect us as well, same thing
as to our rights: We have to use them or we will lose them. Right to bear arms. militia persuit of hapiness speech religion exctra. A good example, maybe bad to some. Ohio is a top free state, as are a couple others. In other words anywhere a man can go topless a woman is supposed to be able Well anyway woman have not used this and now restriction after restriction has been put on it, including breast feeding which loosely is part of this. Some took advantage of the freedom but most did not n the small faction said it was obsene n got their restrictionsI could go on about all rights n how we've been restricted or now denied, n we need them now This is not the place though. If you want to continue let me know or send e-mail
If your going to spell I hope it's for the good

[odhinn]

Originally Posted by hobbit

should get eyes open first like me. once again you are correct, unfortunately. This nation has become one of sheep, bet most don't know news is biast( ok i'll get a dictionary some day) and cencusered. . As too bird owned being restricted. In the early 80's I had to get both state and fed permits to have my birds. Hmmm he said There are laws and regulations in place just not inforced and forgotten Just like imigration There are laws to protect us as well, same thing
as to our rights: We have to use them or we will lose them. Right to bear arms. militia persuit of hapiness speech religion exctra. A good example, maybe bad to some. Ohio is a top free state, as are a couple others. In other words anywhere a man can go topless a woman is supposed to be able Well anyway woman have not used this and now restriction after restriction has been put on it, including breast feeding which loosely is part of this. Some took advantage of the freedom but most did not n the small faction said it was obsene n got their restrictionsI could go on about all rights n how we've been restricted or now denied, n we need them now This is not the place though. If you want to continue let me know or send e-mail
If your going to spell I hope it's for the good

It was good to chat. My family has had a member in every war we have fought in since the revolution. The newest is my nephew who is at the airforce academy right now and will be deployed in the next year or so. I take the saying "people died for your rights" seriously. I am a bit interest in what you said about laws on the books in the 80's about owning parrots. I can see permits required for ownership or breeder licences in the future but for tax purposes only. To totally ban ownership will fly about as far as a rock.