I'd just like your thoughts...

[kali]

on this link...

Parrot Training

[NotEnoughTime]

Hmmm - I don't like the over emphasis on teaching the parrot to talk. And the "How To Tame Your Pet Bird" article by Azmi Adnan contains *an* approach that may or may not work - but I dislike the "rough around" and "Protect yourself with gloves or a towel at first until it eventually recognizes you as its master." This strikes me as a backwards approach and I totally disagree with the master (implied slave) relationship. I don't believe parrots have such a concept.

All the links on the left side of the "home" menu are labled "training" in some way. The fourth link is simply the first link's words reversed. I found navigation confusing - and (again) way too much emphasis on training *talking* (which some parrots will never do) and very little on training how to live with a parrot.

This site seems to index a few articles from the web - and these may or may not be accurate or even good articles. Personally I would search for the author's name and go directly to the source (which I did with Dane Stanton - and found the http://parrottrainingreview.com/ site - which looks kind of interesting, but I wonder if the information presented is unbiased).

Just my 2 cents.

[Newticus]

I looked through a few of Dane's "articles"
They don't seem to have a good grasp of current terminology and some other things. It almost reads like someone who doesn't have a great grasp of the english language or understand the many nuances of particular words.
I took what he advised with a grain of salt. For example, the roughing up a bird I don't think was intended to mean hurt or scare the bird. I "play fight" with Chester - meaning He gently bites and chews on me and bops me with his beak while I ruffle up his feathers and give him scritches. It looks bad to the unaccustomed because it looks like Chester is raging at my hand with his bites but he is really being gentle
Anyway Dane may have just meant a sort of rough-housing play, but maybe not.
Most of us don't use terms like master any more, heck we are even moving away from the term owner, regarding birds. None of use would dream of with holding food as a training method - something dane doesn't really go into but makes a suggestion that hunger is a good training tool. We are also becoming aware of other devices other then towels and gloves to make a parrot come around to being trusting.

He does advocate building trust and using treats to help with that, he also dissuades hurting a bird. Advises regular vet checks and lots of toys and that and ignored bird can have a lot of issues

Maybe we can chalk it up to poor language skills and being just a little behind the times for methods and terminology.

He also mentions in one of the "articles" we have to give the bird things to chew on so they don't get cavities and to keep their TEETH healthy. Last time I checked none of my birds have teeth.

Melanie

[asulli]

I know that this might sound crazy, but before I got my IRN I research quite a bit. I read about the breed (behavior and needs), learned all I could about nutrition. I am by no means an expert and this is my personal experience with Shakti....my teacher and friend.

I then looked at Shakti and we started learning to read each other and know what was acceptable or not. Giving her room to explore and trust. I think that fids should be treated like children, you must feed them always keeping nutrition in mind giving them what they need and not want they want all the time, you must show them you are confident, give them the attention and love that they require, and teach them by example. Reward good behavior and ignore unacceptable behavior.

If you scream at a child that is what they learn to do. By being calm and patient they will comprehend that by good behavior they will get rewarded.

Shakti is not scared of any new toys or any new foods because she trusts me as I have never given her any reason to not trust me. I only have to spend a few seconds looking at anything new or even trying the “food” first. She tries everything and anything at least once and like a child she has her favorite types of food and toys.

Shakti and I play but she knows what enough means. And if I say "owie" she will stop and lick my finger. I DO NOT MAKE Shakti do anything but she loves to please me and I love to please her and make her happy. I make everything good fun and she in turn wants to do it to see me laughing – she then imitates me by laughing herself to show me she feels pleasure.

I would not withhold food from a child and I would certainly not do this to my feathered baby.

We will never own our birds...we have to learn to live with them and they with us.
They are very very smart. When I got Shakti (although she was hand fed) she was very nervous and quite vicious. She was born on 02/14/09 and I have had her since 05/03/09. In this short time she has adapted, understood and learned quite a bit.

Every feathered baby is different, just like human babies. I just feel that we must to learn to connect on their level and trust our instincts as parronts/parents.

[girly]

I stopped after I read "activeness."

[NotEnoughTime]

Originally Posted by girly

I stopped after I read "activeness."

LOL...

[kali]

It just didn't seem to gel with me, wondered if it was just me... obviously not... Thanks!

[idrial]

Originally Posted by girly

I stopped after I read "activeness."

Same. I was almost expecting "training parrots requires great strategery and strong dignitude."

Plus what is this articles website that all the content comes from? In general its against copyright laws to publish other people's articles.

[WhiteRaven]

It looks like a website that hasn't finished being built yet, but its purpose will eventually be to make money. Once the creator is finished, there will most likely be Google ads and affiliate ads. OR one of the article writers is the creator himself, and their purpose is to interest you in clicking on the ad at the end.

The articles come from various people who send them to a database and let anyone publish them as long as the ad at the end is included. I've written a number of articles in this way that are now published all over the web. It's useful for web/magazine owners who don't want to write their own articles or want a variety from different authors. It's useful for me because my ad gets sent all over the Internet for free.

But yes, a number of the articles appear to be a poorer quality and I will be surprised if the website is at all successful. Maybe he's just testing the market. But all in all, the site is there to make money (nothing wrong with that, I am also an Internet Marketer, but the content MUST be high quality and worth reading).

The navagation menu is written like that to attract search engines, rather than people.

[WhiteRaven]

Originally Posted by NotEnoughTime

(which I did with Dane Stanton - and found the Parrots - Review The Top Parrot Training Courses site - which looks kind of interesting, but I wonder if the information presented is unbiased).

It is indeed an interesting and effective method of comparing similar products. I can say with complete certainty that Mr Stanton did not create any of those products. Is the information bias? Just a little. While his review may be completely honest (which I'm not sure, didn't read it all), he -is- getting a commission if you buy any of those products through his links. People here may disagree with me, but I see nothing wrong with that as long as the review is honest and exactly what he claims.

EDIT: Ick... I followed one of the links by a different author and it includes "care" information saying that you can feed birds milk, tether them to stands, SI Eclectus are very rare...