wing clipping

[Joel]

Originally Posted by new guy on the block

opinions are allowed, i meerly do not wish to be abused over the issue as there are many users who do not accept peoples right to choose wether their companions wings are clipped

I agree that "abuse" is not appropriate. Did someone in the past send you abusive PMs.

I do not think anyone is or was not accepting a person's right to choose, as that really goes without saying. Everyone has the right to choose, even if their choice may not be in the best interests of the bird(s) but they should do so with all the facts at hand, in my opinion.

[new guy on the block]

yes anaconda, my ethics have been severly questioned in allowing disabled birds not to be euthanased, breeding for the pet trade (which actually stops illegal poatching) and clipping wings for the safety of the bird.

[Joel]

Originally Posted by new guy on the block

kali, well pointed out, i missed the end of that comment.

i do realise that there are breeders out there whom are only interested in lining theid pockets. however i feel that the tone in which that comment was written was a personal attack and wist to inform you that i would never sell a clien short and ensure that they are provided with all the information they need. i also ask questions and occasionally do a follow up with clients before finalising a sale. in the future i suggest that you take into accout that not every breeder fits into your narrow minded steriotype before finalising a comment not only so that threads arent locked before other readers have a chance to voice their opinion but also because , to be frank, youve made a fool of yourself. thank you

Will you lighten up N.G.O.T.B.

What I said relating to some breeders WAS NOT a personal attack on you or anyone. I was simply stating my opinion in general, if I meant you specifically I would have said so. Ok.

Maybe you should now look at your own quoted post above to see what a real personal attack looks like. I forgive you though. :)

[new guy on the block]

Originally Posted by Anaconda

I personally am glad that wing clipping is illegal in some Australian states. I wish it was illegal in all states and countries, everywhere.

I also wish that people who have medical issues, that do not allow for them to keep a bird fully flighted and safe, would choose another type of pet instead of handicapping a parrot/bird. For those that already had a bird before they developed their medical issues, I wish they would re-home their bird to someone who can keep it safe while at the same time allow it to be all it was meant to be. Best possible while in captivity anyway. Contrary to what some people like to believe, most birds if not all will adapt just fine to their new life. The human should just get over it regarding having to rehome when necessary and just be concerned about what is best for the bird, not for their own selfish desires.

I hope all breeders advise their potential new clients about what is best for the birds themselves, rather than be more concerned with lining their pockets with greenbacks instead. They can do this by giving them printed literature about the benefits of full flight and they can give them links to Internet sites that deal with this issue. They can also inform them how to safety proof their home for a bird or safety proof a single room at least. They should always turn away a customer if they feel the customer will not do their best to provide what is best for the birds.

JMO.

i did not intend to offend you but strongly suggest you review your wording as it makes implications that are hard not to take personally.
please tell me, what does that abreviation you keep making mean?

[conureowner1]

That is very rude comment all it takes is someone accidently opening the door and bam bird flys out, Yes clipped birds can still fly but if done properly they cannot gain height like a fully flighted bird. So what your saying is people with diasbilitys etc shouldn't own birds you do know thats discrimination right there.

If thats the chase people shouldn't own dogs cause wild dogs aren't locked up in a backyard they have miles and miles of territory. Birds shouldn't be in cages as its unnatural to them, they shouldn't have colourful toys,or toys that make noise they wouldn't get them in the wild. Some people care for there birds a great deal but cannot have them fully flighted. To say what your saying is bascily what i just said about dogs and birds. I would rather have my birds clipped so they can't gain height then have them escape and die a slow painful death or bullied,chased and killed by another bird. I've seen far more fully flighted birds fly out the door more so then clipped birds. At least with a clipped bird you would have far better chance catching it then you would a fully flighted bird. My MoJo has to be clipped as when she she is fully flighted and goes to fly then lands she shakes and walks around in circles has been like this since day 1 i hand read MoJo so i know her alot and know whas best. I also have a niece that has ADHD and never listens to a word you say, she is always trying to open up my bird cages so it is in best interest that my birds are clipped.

So if you say all this unnatural well so is keeping dogs in backyard,cats inside houses,giving birds colourful toys,toys that make noise etc.

[kali]

Just My Opinion.

[new guy on the block]

i agree and to add to it, why dont you just move into a cave, that might be a little more natural for you

[new guy on the block]

sorry, was that a personal attack?

[Joel]

Originally Posted by new guy on the block

i did not intend to offend you but strongly suggest you review your wording as it makes implications that are hard not to take personally.
please tell me, what does that abreviation you keep making mean?

Oops, after re-reading what I said: (I hope all breeders advise their potential new clients about what is best for the birds themselves, rather than be more concerned with lining their pockets with greenbacks instead), I should have inserted the words "some breeders" after the words "rather than" to more clearly express myself. Sorry!!!!!!! No one is perfect. I apologize since my error caused you to take personal offense, as none was truly meant.

Those letters you are asking about: JMO = Just My Opinion.

Have a nice day.

[new guy on the block]

thank you anaconda
have a good night