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Old 02-06-2006, 04:06 AM
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Nancy, the person you quoted, was just stating a general fact, not making an opinion. Plus...this thread was started over 3 months ago...

Birds are different than "other animal rescues." They are the prey, not the predators. If I had to find a home for my cat, and you bred snakes, or ferrets, or had other cats/dogs, I wouldn't hesitate- based on that alone. However, if it was my bird I was wanting to find a home for and you had any of those animals, I would probably pass on you.

Why put my baby in a home shared by her predators, when I can find an equally qualified person to take her who does NOT have those animals. As long as I have the option, she would go somewhere where I know she is safe from other animals.

If you go to petfinder.com and many of the other online pet adoption agencies, most of the animals have little icons by them saying- will not go to family with kids, other pets, smokers, etc. So yes, you would be denied in a case like that, which is what your quote is referring to.
Well, it's actually Steve. Not Nancy.

I realize the post is old but the info is still relevant.

If the other animals are securely caged and the person has the knowledge and setup to care for the bird, I do not think they should be automatically disqualified.

I personnally have never had an escape in the 7 years I have been keeping and breeding snakes and there are at times over 100 babies either hatching or I am working on getting established for sale during breeding season.

I can see you being hesitant about a prey animal being placed into a house that contains predatory animals but that should not disqualify someone who is otherwise capable of caring for the bird.

I actually know someone who breeds both snakes and birds. She even keeps the birds in the same room as the racks containing the snakes and has never had any problems.
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Old 02-06-2006, 04:34 AM
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Well, it's actually Steve. Not Nancy.

I realize the post is old but the info is still relevant.

If the other animals are securely caged and the person has the knowledge and setup to care for the bird, I do not think they should be automatically disqualified.

I personnally have never had an escape in the 7 years I have been keeping and breeding snakes and there are at times over 100 babies either hatching or I am working on getting established for sale during breeding season.

I can see you being hesitant about a prey animal being placed into a house that contains predatory animals but that should not disqualify someone who is otherwise capable of caring for the bird.

I actually know someone who breeds both snakes and birds. She even keeps the birds in the same room as the racks containing the snakes and has never had any problems.
I was not calling you Nancy, I was talking about Nancy, the person you quoted.

Maybe they should not always be automatically qualified, but in a lot of cases they are. Often that is the owner's/shelter's preference.

Again, you are not just arguing with a few people on the board, you are arguing with a very large number of pet owners, shelters, adoption agencies... who have the right to decide who their pet(s) goes to live with. Frankly, there is nothing to argue about- it is simply a matter of choice.

I'm sure you are a very careful pet owner, however, accidents happen, and I would never gamble with my bird's life.
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Old 02-06-2006, 04:36 AM
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No, she was referring to me, The Outlaw, Nancy. I would still deny your application hoping to find a better home. I also would not consider a smoker, regardless of how wonderful they may be. Its not about loving and caring, you have to provide safety and a proper environment. I was simply trying to let the original poster understand why her application had likely been tossed. If she made the proper changes, I'm certain she'd have no problems. However, her reluctance to do so simply puts her at a disadvantage. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question. JMHO
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:21 AM
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If the other animals are securely caged and the person has the knowledge and setup to care for the bird, I do not think they should be automatically disqualified.
Rescues have to think about the bird and the bird only. I'm sure they have heard all the stories about how everyone is careful...there would never be an accident, and so on.

On the other hand I am quite sure rescues have probably heard every horror story out there, and are just trying to eliminate some of the potential hazards for birds.

I would not qualify to have a rescue because I own cats and dogs. I fully understand why they choose not to adopt to cat and dog owners. Some won't adopt if you have small children.

While some may not agree...behind most rules, are valid reasons for those rules.
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:03 AM
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Frankly, with 10 larger parrots here at **********, I'D LIKELY BE TURNED DOWN. And, for those folks that have visited here, I'm pretty sure they will attest that my flock is very well taken care of and loved, totally. However, ten is too many. Rescues are looking for the ideal homes. They've already had less than ideal homes, that's how they got there in the first place.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:07 AM
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For the record, it is MY personal experience that rescue birds more often than not come with more baggage and certainly cost you more in vet bills than most hand raised birds from good breeders.
I adopted Scarlett and have been extremely lucky with her. We had a rough first month together but that was more because of my inexperience with large birds (or any birds for that matter) than because she was damaged. I was completely freaking out. Once I gained my confidence with her and she settled in, her bad behavior stopped.

Her adoption fee was $300 and she came with her cage, toys, and food. She was in perfect health (the rescue vets all intakes and has them tested for various diseases) and still is. She has never plucked her feathers, she is not a screamer, she loves to whistle and talk, etc. The only issue that she has is that she doesn't like small children. The rescue knew this and, in fact, made it a requirement for her adoption--a family without little kids. I never want to have children so it isn't an issue for me. I haven't had to spend anything extra in vet visits other than her annual well-bird check-up this fall.

Most rescues will be very upfront with you about any potential behavior problems, issues, etc. that an animal will have. The goal is to find permanent new homes for the pets and you don't find those by being dishonest about behavior, personalities, noise levels, etc. They don't want a bird, cat, or dog to go to a home, come back into rescue, go to another home, come back, etc.

You can go to www.petfinder.com to find local avian rescues near you.
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I just wanted to let all of you know that we did finally get a bird. She is a beautiful 2 yr old Goffin Cockatoo and she is extremely spoiled and well cared for. We have only had her less than two months and have already upgraded her cage to a large playtop, have gotten switched over to mostly pellet instead of mostly seed, and she is in love with my husband and kids, tolerates me. From what I hear that is pretty common with female birds even though I am the one that baths her, cleans her cage, feeds her, buys her about 10 new toys a week, lol. Anyway, we do have to be careful with the ferrets, not because they see her as food, but because they see her as a toy. They also prefer to eat her food and treats instead of theirs. The cage that we bought the parrot is ferret proof so if the ferrets are running around they can not get into or on her cage. We also bought a large playpen (kind of like a dog run) for the ferrets so we can still have the bird and ferrets out all day, but in separate areas. We just can not have them both on the floor with us at the same time. So far they have only been curious, but I would never take that chance. I would actually be more worried about the ferrets than the bird because she could deliver a pretty nasty bite. I understand everones reluctance to adopt to someone with predatory pets, but when those people know what to expect and plan for it then in my opinion it is better to give them a chance at giving your bird a good home than someone without who may not be as knowledgeable, caring and loving. Cuddles could not have a better home right now. She is very happy and well taken care of and protected. If I even have to leave the room for a minute the doors to the cage get closed and the ferrets get locked up. Better to be safe than sorry. Other than that, the entire time they are all out they are all well supervised and in their separate areas with equal amounts of love and attention from all of us. We have our Parrot break times (times when the bird is not on top of her cage and is instead running around with us) and our Ferret Break times (times when we open up the pen and the ferrets go wild) and we are all happy.
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Old 02-10-2006, 02:01 AM
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Hi all after reading all of this I have to say I "prefer" pre-loved pets,almost all of mine are rescues and re-homes,esp my birds,true some were somewhat neglected or ignored but for the most aprt they had been shown love and affection at one time and come to realize that they have love and attention again,you can almost see it in there face when they finally get it,1st nervouse,then curious,then ok you like me you really like me! even though I am biting your finger haha so anytime I have a chance to adopt I do,and most of the time it's free or very little $ most people want agood home for there bird and they know I will give them a great one good luck
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I don't know where you are from but there are several bird rescues in Missouri including pear tree sanctuary where a lady helps place birds. There is quite a process to adopt. I don't know the fee but she does find the birds good and capable homes.
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