Bleeding Chicks!

[The Boy With The Birds]

hi guys,

I have a couple of pairs of java Sparrows,

one pair, with a pied hen, and a white cock, have had 3 chicks, i am very used to java's breeding, as they are the most easiest bird to breed (i believe)
but, 1 chick died, i was a bid surprised as java sparrow chicks, usually aren't that fussy, and clutches of 6, stay 6, as all the babies live. But the 2, chicks that are left, over the last 4-5 days, have started to bleed on their wing tips, the chicks hatched 5 days ago, i dont no wots happening to them, as they still seem fine, and are feeding well, but maybe its the parents?
i dont no, but one chick did not have the bleeding wings, but when i came home, he had the bleeding wings as well


i have no idea
maybe the parents diets are good enough or something?

plz help me

thanx

[poohbear]

I'll put your problem on the top bird forum in the UK.There are specialist Java breeders on there....I'll see if I can find an answer for you.
Paul.

[The Boy With The Birds]

thankyou soooooooo much i greatly appreciatte it,

:)

[nicci]

Originally Posted by The Boy With The Birds

hi guys,

I have a couple of pairs of java Sparrows,

one pair, with a pied hen, and a white cock, have had 3 chicks, i am very used to java's breeding, as they are the most easiest bird to breed (i believe)
but, 1 chick died, i was a bid surprised as java sparrow chicks, usually aren't that fussy, and clutches of 6, stay 6, as all the babies live. But the 2, chicks that are left, over the last 4-5 days, have started to bleed on their wing tips, the chicks hatched 5 days ago, i dont no wots happening to them, as they still seem fine, and are feeding well, but maybe its the parents?
i dont no, but one chick did not have the bleeding wings, but when i came home, he had the bleeding wings as well


i have no idea
maybe the parents diets are good enough or something?

plz help me

thanx

Hello,

I'm sorry to hear about your chicks, I'm not a specialist but I do breed Java Sparrows. Sometimes without actually looking at the bird and the nest set up it can be difficult to determine a precise cause but based on what you've posted I'd like to ask a couple of questions. How are you stopping the bleeding? Do the chicks have any mite running over their bodies? (At five days old they're still featherless so the mite should be relatively easy to spot) Have you managed to have a good look at the wing tips? If so is there anything obvious like a cut, scratch, broken tip, gaping wound? What is the nest set up like? What sort of box/recepticle are the parents using? What nesting materials are they using? Are the wingtips getting caught in any neting fibres? Are they getting 'rubbed raw' against any sort of suface in the nest? Are the parents still feeding the chick?

[poohbear]

Have a read...there will be more comments added later no doubt,it's still early evening here at the mo....

Java Chicks Bleeding - UK Birdkeepers Message Board

[The Boy With The Birds]

, arrrr

the bleeding wasnt noted till about 5pm, last night, as the one chick that had it, it wasnt bleeding it was just red in colour, and so was the end of its beak, so i thought it was deformed, but the other one, as i said started bleeding as well last night.
there arenot any mites in the box, well there shouldn't be, and i havent seen any.
i have had a good loo, but only at the one i thought was deformed, not the new one that started bleeding.
the nest, is, well, very built up, if thats what u mean.
the parents are using a spout, budgie box.
it is unluckly that the wing tips are getting court, as around them and bollow them, there sitting on feathers.
and yes the parents are still feeding them. like normal.

thanks for your concern :)

[The Boy With The Birds]

thankyou paul ;)

i read the comments, but they all say somthing different
i think the parents maybe th culprits, after school, ill check them again.

thanks guys,
Zac

[poohbear]

It's a difficult one to answer...experienced breeders would probably answer you easily if they could see the chicks.It's not easy to diagnose a problem like this just from the written word.
I would agree with those that think it's one of the adults causing the problem if there is no sign of mites,trouble is which one???
Paul.

[mrssittingduck]

no expert on java sparrows although i do keep them,breed them/ this note is made using 20 years worth of hand rearing and observations with regards to chicks reared and birds bred ....

red tips on the wings can be a sign of dehydration, check to make sure the chicks body is not a very pale yellow/white color ..

however bleeding on the wingtips is usually in my experience the parent birds pecking at the chicks, try removing the cock bird as he may be trying to persuade the hen to start another clutch.. if the chicks are still been found to be bleeding then the culprit be the hen, in which case i would stop her from breeding altogather but that is just my oppinion,

how many nestboxes are the birds provided with, i would recommend 2 and a half nestboxes per pair of birds if in a flight, if in a cage on their own then 2 nestboxes this would allow the birds to start another clutch and encourage the cock bird to look after the chicks while she restarts another clutch, ...
also in case of dehydration which can also make the wing tips red and bleed, always make sure to feed moist eggfood, the tips of the elboxs are usually the first place to be noted when dehydration occur they turn red and the skin drys out , when the skin drys out it can crack and break the skin open which causes the bleeding,

add some corn flour to the bleeding area to help clot the skin up and stop the bleeding... weather or not you find the cause of the bleeding ..corn flour is a good way to stop the bleeding their and then...once it stops bleeding you can also add a bit of vaseline on to help the skin incase something is rubbing on it or drying the skin out and causeing the bleeding ...

and hi poohbear fancy meeting you here :D

[The Boy With The Birds]

thanks guys,

well, i have been away for the weekend, and when i returned in yesterdays evening, i took a look, one chick, is about twice the size of the other chick, but the smaller chick is still alive, ive never had such fuss with this perticular species before, but he red on the tips, has scabbed, and reduced, the bigger chick, only has a tiny bit of the red left now,
so i dont know, i think what ever it was has finished, dunno???