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Old 09-27-2007, 08:31 PM
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well i think that website is very misleading,it makes it sound as though peta are going around kidnapping thousands of pets and battering them to death,and as for them saying that 90% of the animals that come to into petas care are killed,well its not like they are coming from loving and caring homes!! most of them are probably stray or abandoned or abused and suffering disease or illness,and there is a massive difference between an animal being euthanized and an animal being savaged to death in a dog fight !!!!!! and to run an add to say that peta are hypocritical by comparing them to a dog fighter is using the same kind of tactics they are critisising peta for using and is hypocrisy itself!!!
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:38 PM
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No euthanasia is not illegal, not if a vet or shelter does so... however, I somehow doubt that it's legal for any person to euthanasia an animal without at least being certified or otherwise. Therefore, I would assume that PETA was and has been, illegally euthanizing animals... They are not certified vets, and they do not run an animal shelter (that I know of), thus they ARE NOT certified to euthanize an animal..... however, I can't really seem to find the specifics as to whether or not this is true...

This much I do know.... about PETA euthanizing animals....
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But WAVY News 10 has learned only licensed veterinarians can euthanize under North Carolina law, and officials there say Hinkle and Cook are not licensed vets.
Therefore, in that respect, it WAS illegal, but what did PETA get in return? Just a slap on the wrist and away they go. I'm sorry, but I will never be for PETA... like I said in my previous post.



And as far as comparing to dog fighting? Yes, it's illegal. So is euthanizing animals when you are not certified. I see a fair comparison.

Just know though, I'm not trying to start an argument... just stating facts.
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:59 PM
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im not an advocate for peta either,i think that there is nothing wrong with wanting and owning a pet but too many animals suffer because people are irresponsible,illegally euthanizing animals that are stray/abandoned/suffering may not have been the right thing to do but making animals tear each other to pieces and suffer what i can only imagine is the most horrific pain and agony for money and enjoyment is the worst kind of cruelty and in my opinion cant and shouldnt be compared,im not starting an arguement either,just saying what i think :)
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:09 PM
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Well I think people should be allowed to have pets, but animals should be treated ethically, they should have more rights and not just be seen as property. There should be more laws concerning people who keep pets and not just anyone should be able to have them.
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:25 PM
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Animal welfare is something any pet lover should try to support. This would provide for laws for ethical and humane treatment of not only pets, but animals raised for meat and such, and stiff fines and penalties for maliciously harming another living being or not providing the proper care.

Animal rights is completely different, and is what the true loons at PETA are about. The sad fact is, animals are much safer being property than having rights of their own -- and so are the people that own them.

For example, let's say you have a dog that becomes ill. The vet finds that the problem is terminal and keeping the animal alive for the short time it has left will leave the poor thing in agony, despite therapy for the symptoms of its illness. The humane thing to do would be to painlessly euthanize it so it won't have to deal with the trauma. This happens every day, in every vet office, and as the animal is your property you are legally entitled to destroy it.

However, if laws change and animals are no longer seen as property, but as having their own rights, anyone could decide that the animal should be given every chance to extend its life and SUE YOU on behalf of the animal -- the end result being the animal taken and you having a drawn out court process to deal with. Meanwhile the animal will suffer.

That may be an extreme example, but it's a very real one, and one of many that is supported by "animal rights." As pet owners, we need to pay close attention and learn as much as we can about the difference so we don't end up signing away OUR rights, or our ability to love and cherish our pets.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:36 PM
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Lets see............ Pamela Anderson as a spokesperson...
Which is hypocrisy, if you ask me.

No offense to Ms. Anderson but I highly doubt that someone who claims to be passionate about animal rights would have subjected herself time and time again for those monstrous protrusions on her chest. But that's just me be snarky

In all seriousness, though: I have seen dozens of photos of Ms. Anderson in Ugg boots which are made from SHEEP. Not just the wool, people but the leather bits, too. Don't tell me to not wear fur or eat animals when you are wearing leather footwear. Vegan shoes (comfortable and stylish) are available, even for pseudo-celebs.

I'm not supportive of animal testing for human welfare at all. I'm all for fighting for animal welfare. I'm all about responsible pet ownership. I'm all about humans making a smaller impact on the environment by consuming less meat and promoting the use of grains/produce in their diet. PETA used to be an organization that I trusted, admired and wanted to work for. Over the last 10 or 15 years they have left a consistently bad taste in my mouth.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:55 PM
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PETA's wrongdoings don't make the wrongdoings of the people they criticize any less wrong. Sure, it's hypocritical, but that doesn't make it wrong for PETA to criticize others.

Personally, I think PETA has damaged its name and is a sucker for propaganda and politics. I don't support PETA, but I'm not very fond of the people they criticize either. I think their campaign against Burberry was completely misdirected. On the other hand, I also think that Vick's situation is being made out to be worse than it really is. I don't condone what he did, but I think it went a bit overboard.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:18 AM
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in the realm of "balance" organizations like PETA are needed to compensate for the actions of the Vick's out there. Both are extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Oh Eliza? Thank you for seeing my point.
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:55 AM
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