Ionic Breeze Quadra and birds....?

[Geo]

I just purchased an Ionic Breeze Quadra for the living room where my B&G Macaw and love birds are, I was wondering if this has a negative effect on the birds? We really need it in the house since the small particles of the feathers and feathers themselves are causing us sickness. The B&G is in it's molting stage too!

[TooLover]

Joel - you wanna come help me with mine as well?
How about another room in the house just for the birds? I am not sure the ionic breeze is okay for the birds?!?!? Hopefully someone else has the answer.

[MandysBlackRoses]

Hmm, I know there is sappose to be NO moving air flow but, make sure none of the inside is made of teflon. ( I STILL don't understand how those work, and I have watched the info-mercail a hundred,gazillion times!) But if it plugs in, it CAN get hot. So I would check out what the insides are made of.

[Geo]

Yeah I dont know how it works either but it does work. You just clean the collection grids and that's it.

I will try and see how I can find out what the inside is made of. It does not have much current running through it as it only uses 10 watts of power...

[TooLover]

You are too much boyfriend!

[Lisa B]

Here are my notes from a seminar I attended for air purifiers by my VET.

Micron size.....
Micron = .001 Millimeters which resemble the size of a sharpened pencil point.

Most dust particles that can be lung damaging to our birds range in the .03-.09 micron range. this means they are small enough for our birds to inhale, but too large to exhale.

Most purifiers catch larger dust particles and pull them through a series of filters, reducing them to a safer size of under .03 microns. A hepa filter comes with a 3 stage filtration System . a pleated filter that catches the larger particles ,a carbon filter, and then the final filter before passing it out again.


The type of filter you need to look for is a TRUE HEPA FILTER. not "like a hepa filter" These units can be noisy....so in order for you to have one that is quieter, get a larger unit then the room size recommendations and keep it on the low speed...the air exchange that will be listed on the boxes are for filters run at HIGH speed.
so if your room is 9x10 ....and you purchase a filter for a room size of 9x10, you will have to run it on high speed continuously. if you get one that is recommended for a 12x15 room, you can run it on low, and it is doing its job more proficiently.

You do not want a filer with Ozone....OZONE is harmful and irritating to the respiratory tract.
You do not want one with an Ionizer. The major concern is that the Ionizer weighs down the dust particle, and if the dust particle contains a micro bacterial organism on it, it can be inhaled, and then stuck to the respiratory wall thus leading to Aspergillosis. Most units have built in ironizers. You need to purchase one with a seperate button to work this feature to keep the ionizer off.
The Ultra violet sterilization addition to the air filter unit is acceptable when run in conjunction with the Hepa filter.

The Hepa filter you should purchase should read 2-8 air exchanges per hour( greater than 400 (CFM) cubic feet per minute)

Hepa filters should be changed when recommended. However, not all 3 will need to be changed at the same time....

I have 3 Hepa filters, all purchased from Sears. The last one I bought on sale was $89 and I am very happy with it. It is located directly under my greys cage.((where he cant reach it)) and have had no ill effects. Here is the one I use.
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...&vertical=APPL
I have enclosed a page for you to research all about the different purifiers available.

http://www.allergybuyersclub.com/compare-air.html

[Geo]

So this ionic breeze can harm the bird is what you are saying?

[Lisa B]

I was told that they are not good for birds and for people with respiratory problems(me being one) I would be VERY careful....... i dont mean to scare you...but this seminar I attended was held by an animals hospital with the avian wing dr's all doing differnt lectures....My vet found it of importance enough to lecture for an hour on this subject.
The major concern is that the Ionizer weighs down the dust particle, and if the dust particle contains a micro bacterial organism on it, it can be inhaled, and then stuck to the respiratory wall thus leading to Aspergillosis

[Captain Jack]

This Is off Consumerreports.com,
New concerns about ionizing air cleaners

Buying an air cleaner that doesn't clean the air is bad enough. Some of the least effective ionizer models also can expose you to potentially harmful ozone levels, especially if you're among the roughly 80 percent of buyers with asthma or allergy concerns.

CR Quick Take

Months of testing and investigation yielded these findings:
• Many ionizing air cleaners like the kind we tested do a poor job of removing particles from the air.
• Two separate tests--in a sealed room and in an open lab--show that some can create significant levels of ozone.
• Ozone is a growing concern. People with asthma and respiratory allergies are especially sensitive to it.
• Some ads include endorsements that mean little. (See Air cleaners: The truth behind the accolades.)
• Consider low- or no-cost air-cleaning alternatives. (See CR Quick Recommendations.)




Also known as electrostatic precipitators, the five ionizing air cleaners we focused on for this report are supposed to trap charged particles on oppositely charged plates. But as we reported in our October 2003 report on air cleaners, models like Sharper Image's Ionic Breeze, the market leader, did a poor job removing dust and smoke from the air. Our latest tests also show that some ionizing models can expose you to significant amounts of ozone.

Unlike ozone in the upper atmosphere, which helps shield us from harmful ultraviolet rays, ozone near ground level is an irritant that can aggravate asthma and decrease lung function. Air cleaners need not meet ozone limits--not for the federal Environmental Protection Agency, which regulates only outdoor air, nor for the Food and Drug Administration, since it doesn't consider them medical devices, despite the health benefits that some ads imply. (See Air cleaners: The truth behind the accolades.) Manufacturers often submit air cleaners to a voluntary standard that includes a test to see whether they produce more than 50 parts per billion (ppb) of ozone, the same limit the FDA uses for medical devices.

We replicated that test using the sealed polyethylene room specified by Underwriters Laboratories Standard 867 to help ensure consistent results. Ozone levels were measured 2 inches from each machine's air discharge in accordance with the standard. All five ionizers failed the test by producing more than the 50-ppb limit--in some cases, much more.

People don't live in sealed plastic rooms, however. So we also tested these ionizing air cleaners in an open, well-ventilated lab. For comparison, we also tested a top-performing Friedrich electrostatic-precipitator and a Whirlpool HEPA model from previous reports.

We measured ozone levels 2 inches from the machines, as in the sealed-room test, and 3 feet away, since ozone becomes diluted and dissipates rapidly indoors as it reacts with carpet, upholstery, and other surfaces. In our lab tests, two ionizing models--the IonizAir P4620 and the Surround Air XJ-2000--emitted more than 150 and 300 ppb, respectively, 2 inches from the machine.

While few people are likely to sit 2 inches from the air discharge, where our ozone readings were highest, you could be exposed to higher levels than those we measured at 3 feet if you take a cue from manufacturers. The IonizAir's box shows it on a desk near a keyboard and on a nightstand near a sleeping woman. The Ionic Pro CL-369 is shown next to a sofa, while the Surround Air's manual suggests placing it “nearby those suffering from breathing or other health problems.”

Ozone from ionizing air cleaners is a greater concern as sales increase. Ionizers now account for about 25 percent of the roughly $410 million per year spent on air cleaners as brands such as Brookstone and Oreck compete. (We plan to test the Oreck in a future report.)


INDOOR OZONE hits the radar

Experts agree that an ozone concentration more than 80 ppb for eight hours or longer can cause coughing, wheezing, and chest pain while worsening asthma and deadening your sense of smell. It also raises sensitivity to pollen, mold, and other respiratory allergy triggers, and may cause permanent lung damage.

Most indoor ozone is carried inside with outdoor air. Regulators have given indoor ozone less attention than outdoor ozone, since dilution and dissipation typically lower indoor levels by 20 to 80 percent. But Charles J. Weschler, professor of environmental and occupational health sciences at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Jersey, notes, “Since we spend so much time indoors, exposure is often greater than outdoors.“


CLOSE ENCOUNTERS Images like this could prompt you to place some air cleaners near enough for you to breathe relatively high ozone levels in their air stream.



Recent studies of ozone's cumulative effects also raise concerns. A 14-year study of 95 urban areas in the U.S. found a clear link between small increases in ozone and higher death rates. The study looked at days when outdoor ozone concentrations didn't exceed the Environmental Protection Agency's 80-ppb standard over eight hours, according to the study's lead author, Michelle L. Bell, assistant professor of environmental health at Yale University's School of Forestry and Environmental Studies.

“We were able to tease out the relationship between ozone and mortality, even accounting for each day's weather and particulate pollution,” Bell said in an interview. “A small increase in ozone was associated with a small increase in mortality and a larger increase with a larger increase in mortality, even in cities with low ozone levels.” The study predicts that a 10-ppb increase in ozone over eight hours could lead to roughly 3,700 premature deaths per year in those cities.

Another ozone study conducted in 2001 over six months in southern New England by the Yale University Center for Perinatal, Pediatric, and Environmental Epidemiology links ozone levels well below the EPA's 80-ppb standard to a higher risk of respiratory symptoms and use of rescue medication for children with severe asthma. Indeed, the study found ill effects even on days when ozone levels were 20 ppb lower than the EPA standard over eight hours.


OZONE RAISES OTHER THREATS

While ozone dissipates indoors, it can create other pollutants in the process. Research suggests that ozone reacts with the terpenes in lemon- and pine-scented cleaning products and air fresheners, creating formaldehyde--a carcinogen--and other irritants. Those byproducts can be absorbed by beds and carpets, and be released over an extended time frame. Research has also found that ozone reacts with terpenes to create additional ultrafine particles, which are hard to filter and can go deep into lungs.


A regulatory black hole

Ionizers such as the five we focused on are adding ozone indoors just as regulators work to cut ground-level ozone created outdoors as pollutants react with sunlight. The federal EPA's acceptable outdoor level is 80 ppb over eight hours. This year the California EPA recommended lowering the state's outdoor limit to 70 ppb. World Health Organization standards are tougher at 60 ppb over eight hours.

Several states, the EPA, and Canada have issued warnings about ozone generators, a small segment of the air-cleaner market. While ionizers emit ozone as a byproduct, ozone generators create it by design and purport to offer health benefits. Consumer Reports found two such models Not Acceptable as early as 1992.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission is reviewing scientific and government data on all air cleaners that create ozone. The CPSC is also evaluating whether the 50-ppb industry standard is adequate protection for consumers, and it may recommend a lower limit. A report is expected later this year.

No federal agency sets indoor ozone limits for homes, however. The EPA has authority over ozone outdoors, not indoors, though it publishes booklets on indoor air quality and runs the Indoor Air Quality Information Clearinghouse. Interestingly, the EPA doesn't take a strong position for or against buying any air cleaner.

The Food and Drug Administration regulates medical devices but says air cleaners aren't covered because manufacturers make only vague, health-related claims, rather than claims related to specific diseases. Nonetheless, the 50-ppb ozone limit for medical devices is also the threshold used in the industry test.

Some manufacturers tacitly acknowledge that their ionizers create ozone and may pose risks. Brookstone's owner's manual suggests that “any person suffering from heart, lung, or respiratory illness should consult his or her physician before using this unit.” But that advice is buried deep in the manual's text.

The bottom line: Consumers Union believes that the CPSC should set indoor ozone limits for all air cleaners and mandate performance tests and labels disclosing the results. CU also believes that the Federal Trade Commission should take a close look at air-cleaner ads to determine whether they include unsubstantiated and deceptive claims.

In the meantime, we recommend avoiding ionizers that performed poorly or emitted significant ozone in our tests. “We can't guarantee safety at any ozone level, so it makes sense not to contaminate your living space,” says Jonathan Samet, M.D., chairman of the epidemiology department of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

[Lisa B]

GREAT info..............thank you......btw....one of our clients in Robert Wood Johnson hospital here in NJ.i will save this info for future reference.....specially if i have to contact the Dr @ RWJ