Hello all update on Charly Pants and a Question...

[angelisis]

Hi everyone

Just thought I would update you all on Charly's progress, he is doing very well and over the last few days he has been perching YAY
I massaged his feet as someone here suggested and also got him walking about on me and he started perching and wrapping his claws around my fingers on Friday. He still sorta squats when he sits or perches, he has his elbows bent but I am hoping with time and the older he gets he will become more confident.
I got a new job and he has been also coping well being put into a large cage during the day with a cosy bed and a teddy, he does not like missing his lunch time feed at all. My hubby comes home to check on him between jobs for a few seconds everyday and apparently charly gets himself into a right state but he will have to get used to it and he gets fed as soon as my son gets home. I feed him up on weekends and during the late afternoon and night so I am sure he is not starving he is just throwing a hissy fit LOL
He is trying seed now and cracking the husks, well it seems he is. still depends on me for all his feeds though but I cannot imagine it will be many days off that he is weaned he is even starting to become fussy with his formula now and yes he stops when he is full, before he would have eatin untill he burst if i did not say no more
Now for my question he is still making the baby chick chirp churp sound but it is sooooo loud and it is all the time, driving me nuts! and it does not matter if i give him attention or not he still does it. How long before this stops and he sings and whistles I know he can do it I have heard him sing himself to sleep but he just will not do it all the time just this annoying LOUD chirp chirp sound.....he does make liek a baby crying noise when he has had enough to eat but it does not last long then he goes back to the annoying sound.....I give him lashings of attention and have even stopped picking him him untill he is quiet so he does not start thinking that if he makes that noise I will come pick him up.
please help how much longer till he stops this baby chirping???

I have added some recent pics too...enjoy :) He has all his feathers now.....huge change from the scrawny thing I showed you a month ago is it not???

[CALVINS MOM]

He looks awfully young to be days off from weaning. Are you sure he is not hungry? How old is he? Sorry if I missed previous posts where you may have discussed that.

[Cindy215]

Your previous posts said he was on incorrect imbalanced hand feeding food and he had signs of deficiency from it, right? And too diluted with water too? I didnt read them all the way through.

If he is getting all his feedings from you then he's not nearly ready to wean. It takes many weeks. Approximately ten weeks in a healthy IRN. In his case, longer, since he got off to a bad start.

If you both work then he probably IS hungry if he's alone all day with just seed and waiting for evening to eat. Even adult birds eat at about 2-4 in the afternoon.

It sounds to me that the "annoying" sound is some kind of distress. And he's probably lonely if he's alone all day, too.

He shouldnt be weaning onto seeds he has to crack you want to offer abundance weaning. ALOT of foods. Nestling foods, soft not seeds to crack. Nestling food is also a prepared food you can buy. If he has to be alone all day at least you can leave that.

A variety of dark leafy greens chopped, some protein like egg or bean not animal protein, veggies, fruits and grains. Cooked and soft grains, a little cooked brown rices, soaked whole wheat breads but not just bread by itself without the veggis and other healthyfoods. All on a big plate on the bottom like a couple paper plates supported. You can only leave it for one to two hrs depending on the temp there it gets bacteria.

Can he get to his water? I would take soft papers and crumple them up in balls all over the cage bottom to support him better, too. Since he has that food/leg problem.

Is he getting full spectrum lighting to metabolize his vitamins/calcium/D3? Not sunlight filtered out by windows, that doesnt count the windows filter it out?

What exactly are you feeding him? I think in AU they use something called Paswell?

Whats the situation with his crop? If you're feeding when you get home from work and again before bed are you sure his crop is empty at that last nighttime feeding. What are the times, although only you know because you have to check his crop It cant be diagnosed on a message board.

I hope you got a scale and are keeping records and weighing him every day. Also keeping records of the amounts and how often. Please call his avian vet and review everything you're doing.

And when the time comes that he DOES wean you'll have to watch carefully that he really is eating enough and the right variety. They can backslide quickly if you just change fast to some "adult" way of feeding.

http://www.kaytee.com/ask_the_experts/weaning_tips/

[Cindy215]

Your previous posts said he was on incorrect imbalanced hand feeding food and he had signs of deficiency from it, right? And too diluted with water too? I didnt read them all the way through.

If he is getting all his feedings from you then he's not nearly ready to wean. It takes many weeks. Approximately ten weeks in a healthy IRN. In his case, longer, since he got off to a bad start.

If you both work then he probably IS hungry if he's alone all day with just seed and waiting for evening to eat. Even adult birds eat at about 2-4 in the afternoon.

It sounds to me that the "annoying" sound is some kind of distress. And he's probably lonely if he's alone all day, too.

He shouldnt be weaning onto seeds he has to crack you want to offer abundance weaning. ALOT of foods. Nestling foods, soft not seeds to crack. Nestling food is also a prepared food you can buy. If he has to be alone all day at least you can leave that.

A variety of dark leafy greens chopped, some protein like egg or bean not animal protein, veggies, fruits and grains. Cooked and soft grains, a little cooked brown rices, soaked whole wheat breads but not just bread by itself without the veggis and other healthyfoods. All on a big plate on the bottom like a couple paper plates supported. You can only leave it for one to two hrs depending on the temp there it gets bacteria.

Can he get to his water? I would take soft papers and crumple them up in balls all over the cage bottom to support him better, too. Since he has that food/leg problem.

Is he getting full spectrum lighting to metabolize his vitamins/calcium/D3? Not sunlight filtered out by windows, that doesnt count the windows filter it out?

What exactly are you feeding him? I think in AU they use something called Paswell?

Whats the situation with his crop? If you're feeding when you get home from work and again before bed are you sure his crop is empty at that last nighttime feeding. What are the times, although only you know because you have to check his crop It cant be diagnosed on a message board.

I hope you got a scale and are keeping records and weighing him every day. Also keeping records of the amounts and how often. Please call his avian vet and review everything you're doing.

And when the time comes that he DOES wean you'll have to watch carefully that he really is eating enough and the right variety. They can backslide quickly if you just change fast to some "adult" way of feeding.

http://www.kaytee.com/ask_the_experts/weaning_tips/

[sassie]

Hand feeding really is alot of HARD work!!! So much can go wrong so quickly! It's best left to expert's instead of trying to save a few dollars

[RingneckedPrincess]

He's getting so cute. But that pale beak isn't a good sign, my Prinny is an albino and has a bright red beak...hope you take him to a vet regularly...and it sounds a bit young to be weaned...

Dani

[angelisis]

EEEKKK!! stop the panic!
Wow was not expecting that at all when clicking onto my fav forum this morning :)
Charly is small for his age....if I were to say exactly it would really be a guestimate of about 10-12 weeks but my vet and I agree he is small for his age...the problem with his feet and his size are a result of his poor diet and taken from the nest so early both the breeder did not me. I offer him dried fruits and seeds yes but it is not his main sourse of food. He is still on formula which is working to improve his calcium intake his feet are almsot better. wich my vet said might happen but thought he was too far gone. turns out it has worked.
Never will I take a bird so young again, even as confident as I am hand rearing a chick now you soon come to realize that there is nothing like a hen's care that is best for the baby.
I have to be getting to work so not the time to go into it now but I have worked out all the little problems I have had in the past with CHarly with the help of my vet and the people on this board I am really not going to get into a panic now, he is doing really well and growing fast. this was really just an update post and to find out how long untill he stops that yak noise he makes.
thanks for the concern though and some of your suggestions for example the water tip will come in handy, I leave him a very damp face washer during the day to chew on but the little balls of papper sound a much better idea.

[RingneckedPrincess]

He's still a cutie and I know I enjoy the pics. Don't see too many albinos running around.

Dani

[Ringneckmom]

Hi angelisis. I would say to keep feeding him and if he is still crying and can take a couple of cc's without over filling or maybe 2 hours after feeding try to give him some more and see if this helps. As long as he empties out at least once completely in 24 hours - it should be ok to do this or maybe thicken formula just a little more.
Sometimes when babies have problems early on - it can take longer for them to wean onto food. Just keep doing what you are doing.
You might also try putting in veggies in the evenings or morning before you leave and your hubby can take them out when he comes in. The more things you offer in there for them to mess with and eat will make it easier for them when they wean. he may do nothing more than play with it, but at some time he may eat some as well.

Good luck and just be patient - it will happen. It just may take longer than usual. Sorry.

[angelisis]

thanks ring neck mum :)
he is becoming fussy with his formula just recently so this will all help. I will offer it as long as he does want it though but out of the 5 feeds he gets everyday it seems he only really has two full feeds that he eats well the rest is one or two teaspoons thats it!
he picks at his seed and fruit though so that is a good sign.
just wish this yakky noise he makes would stop. driving me nuts! squaking all the time like a little baby but sooooo loud. I will never give up on him though :)